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Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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This is completely disregarding scale; the iPhone allows Apple the scale to manufacture these chips at an affordable price. Lenovo, HP and Dell do not have that kind of scale. Apple sold almost 3 times the number of iphones compared to Dell's total device line.

It also disregards B2B sales; apple has pretty much disappeared from schools and most office issues in big companies seem to Lenovo's, because of repairability.

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Speak for yourself. Me personally? I would like one core per Chrome tab.

My new M1 constantly freezes, and I’m pretty sure it’s because of chrome. Or the secret SSD thrashing design flaw that Apple is hoping nobody talks about till they quietly fix it. Was a bit disappointing. I was like, finally! A new thing! I’m freeeeeee..... wait no it still freezes, I miss sandy bridge, etc.

This does not happen to me on Firefox, I am running 2 windows with dozen tabs each.

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Some fans do measure, and know the difference from marketing and reality in regards to tracing GC versus reference counting marketing material. https://github.com/ixy-languages/ixy-languages

Wallclock time isn't the only performance metric to care about. ObjC had a GC in the past and lost it in favor of ARC for a reason; it's a poor fit for iPhone-sized devices.

That was the marketing reason, the official reason was that fitting a GC into a language with C memory model wasn't never going to work, and there were plenty of crashes and memory corruptions coming out of that.

So they made the only sensible decision, and just like Microsoft did with COM, they added support to the Objective-C compiler to automate retain/release messages in OS X Frameworks.

Naturally being Apple, that pivot had to be sold in a way that the reason was being of RC being better and not because of the technical failure to have a tracing GC in Objective-C , while remaining compatible with C memory model.

Apparently, moving the GC document with all its caveats regarding possible programming issues, out of search index also helps to keep the story as well.

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Co...

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M1 is the fastest Apple CPU YET. I suspect in the fall they will release the M2 for MacBook Pro 15 inches. They have also delayed releasing the MacBook Pro 15inches with Intel on purpose in my opinion. When they will release the MacBook Pro 15 inches with M2 they will compare it with the Intel version with a 3 years old processor. I don't trust the Apple benchmarks much. They are choosing what to compare and what met…

> M2 for MacBook Pro 15 inches 16" will be the size, like in the current gen. External form factor about the same size as the old 15", but smaller bezels. If they come up with a 16" M2 with 16GB+ of RAM they'll be out of stock for MONTHS, everyone I know will be upgrading from their pre-touchbar Macbooks.

yes I found myself exactly in that situation. Got a MacBook Pro 15'' mid-2015 which was falling apart. I did not trust Apple with the whole M2 and abandoning support for Windows Bootcamp.

I made myself an hackintosh. Paid pretty much like an iMac but with everything maxed out. Still missing the GPU because of the crypto shortage but that's all another story.

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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I do wonder how much of that is just getting a nice new laptop? If the average user was handed the equivalent laptop with an Intel CPU but told it was an M1 would they notice? Would they also think it was nice and fast?

Here is why I think your hypothesis is not true: people were buying new Macs also before M1, but it did not generated the same reactions. So newness is not the cause of this or at least it is not the only cause.

Good marketing definitely impacts user experience. How much it is impacting the perception of M1? I have no idea.

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AAA video games do that for you :P Well, it isn't the programming part that uses the ram(although yes, building our codebase takes about 40 minutes and uses gigabytes of ram without using distributed build), but just starting up local server + client + editor easily uses 80-100GB of ram since ALL of the assets are loaded in.

When VS decides to disk bomb you or uses literally 120GB of ram because its auto scaling trips up.

So instead of attacking Microsoft about giving VS, we attack apple for not having enough ram lol

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Maybe buying a 5950X at the birth of DDR5 , PCIeGen5 and TSMC's 5nm wasn't the wisest choice. Ehhhh seems like all that new stuff would still take lots of time to actually get ready, and the 5950X is the best CPU now .

Ah well at least I can now run my test suite 3 times faster compared to my 16” i9 macbook pro so I’m happy. From 60s to 20s every run is huge for me.

I expect the new 16" / 14" to have dual M1 cpus. It would solve the number of external display issue. Also, it would bump the RAM to 32GB.

Then the next step, a new Mac Pro, would have up to 4 M1 CPU's. Sounds very sweet to me.

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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There are only two different M1 versions. The 7 GPU version and the 8 GPU version. All of the cpu cores are the same. All power envelopes are the same. That's much different then the vastly different form factors and power envelopes intel has.

We have yet to see any new iPad Pro with the M1. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a difference in clock speed with those.

I don't expect so. The air has no active cooling and can run the M1. Should be doable for the ipad as well.

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Ah well at least I can now run my test suite 3 times faster compared to my 16” i9 macbook pro so I’m happy. From 60s to 20s every run is huge for me.

I expect the new 16" / 14" to have dual M1 cpus. It would solve the number of external display issue. Also, it would bump the RAM to 32GB. Then the next step, a new Mac Pro, would have up to 4 M1 CPU's. Sounds very sweet to me.

No way the M1 supports "dual socket" configurations. Absolutely no way a configuration like that would "combine" the GPUs and display outputs. I'd bet money on Apple releasing a larger monolithic "M1X" or whatever for the large MBPs.

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Maybe buying a 5950X at the birth of DDR5 , PCIeGen5 and TSMC's 5nm wasn't the wisest choice. Ehhhh seems like all that new stuff would still take lots of time to actually get ready, and the 5950X is the best CPU now .

Ah well at least I can now run my test suite 3 times faster compared to my 16” i9 macbook pro so I’m happy. From 60s to 20s every run is huge for me.

Is that stock, PBO or manual OC? It's quite wattage limited at stock, you might go significantly under 20s with PBO :D
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