So much incredulity and negativity in the comments here. The indignation is totally counter productive.
The apology is fine, folks. Just accept it and move on.
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So much incredulity and negativity in the comments here. The indignation is totally counter productive.
The apology is fine, folks. Just accept it and move on.
This apology fails from the 5th word: "We sincerely apologize for any harm..." While there are other requirements, a sincere apology cannot in any way entertain doubt about the fact that there WAS harm. Truly acknowledging the harm done is foundational to a real apology, and most of us (myself included) end up sneaking in weasel words or phrases like this. Psychologically, its nice for the apologizer, since it allows…
Honestly, for all we know this letter could be meaningless. A real good actor would also reveal the other commits in order to have a full disclosure.
Trust isn't based on promises, trust is based on past actions. Therefore they should be treated as such, as their actions are evidence for being a potentially malicious actor.
I'm still convinced Greg did the right thing here, as it's better to be safe than sorry in this case due to the sheer scale of an attack vector that the actors might have introduced.
Even if other commits of good actors at the same University are now treated with more attention to their code, I think they are a casualty that was predictable in the moment the ethics commitee signed off the paper's research procedure.
This apology fails from the 5th word: "We sincerely apologize for any harm..." While there are other requirements, a sincere apology cannot in any way entertain doubt about the fact that there WAS harm. Truly acknowledging the harm done is foundational to a real apology, and most of us (myself included) end up sneaking in weasel words or phrases like this. Psychologically, its nice for the apologizer, since it allows…
The single mention of the IRB and lack of apology for doing human behavior research without permission of the test subjects is still problematic. I suppose being involved with an industry that does A/B testing on users might be an excuse.
Also, "any harm" should be "the harm" in a sincere apology.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was just about to post: "This is a great apology." Context is everything, of course. I think you're right that it's tainted by the fact that they absolutely did not have a choice, and coming from people who've deceived the same tribes they're now trying to apologize to.
And what of the merits? If the previous 190 patches were indeed legitimate it strikes me as overly vengeful to pull them in a "punish the son for the sins of the father and the father for the sins of the son" kind of way.
Whatever the reasons, this open letter is a joke.
This apology fails from the 5th word: "We sincerely apologize for any harm..." While there are other requirements, a sincere apology cannot in any way entertain doubt about the fact that there WAS harm. Truly acknowledging the harm done is foundational to a real apology, and most of us (myself included) end up sneaking in weasel words or phrases like this. Psychologically, its nice for the apologizer, since it allows…
Honestly, based on the way they handled their "research" in the first place, sneaking weasel words into an open apology letter is entirely par for the course...