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Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by Terretta »

scarface74 wrote: post #8
sharken wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why it's baffling that gyms are closed for five months straight where I live. And taxes on soft drinks are very low, which adds to the problem. So many problems that could be fixed with a bit of common sense by the politicians.

Every study and simple math says the same thing. Exercise is the least effective way to lose weight. The amount of exercise you have to do just burn 500 calories is far more than most people will do. Besides, there are other ways to exercise. The last point, if you overeat anything you will gain weight.

Exercise to burn calories is a proximate goal but not the ideal one. Calories burned during the exercise is, to your point, insufficient.

Exercise to reset metabolism is a better goal.

Takes about 6 weeks of very short HIIT sprints (4 minutes of high intensity interval training with 30 second intervals of anaerobic effort, along with 2 mins of warmup and 2 mins of cooldown) to shift metabolism into a rate that will burn extra kcalories at rest (an order of magnitude more a day than from the exercise itself).

Note that this type of HIIT can make people feel ill. Use an HR monitor and work with your doctor. You also cannot hit the necessary level of effort using most gym equipment. You need full body climbers (best, recruits 95% of muscles, easy to hit anaerobic sprints) or full body ergo cycles or rowers (recruits 80% - 90% but harder to sprint above VO2 Max).

The recalibration then also lasts 6+ months, and only needs 2 - 3 HIIT sessions a week to last indefinitely.

// And still, yes, what doesn’t go in doesn’t have to get burned off.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by voisin »

Terretta wrote: post #11
scarface74 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every study and simple math says the same thing. Exercise is the least effective way to lose weight. The amount of exercise you have to do just burn 500 calories is far more than most people will do. Besides, there are other ways to exercise. The last point, if you overeat anything you will gain weight.

Exercise to burn calories is a proximate goal but not the ideal one. Calories burned during the exercise is, to your point, insufficient. Exercise to reset metabolism is a better goal. Takes about 6 weeks of very short HIIT sprints (4 minutes of high intensity interval training with 30 second intervals of anaerobic effort, along with 2 mins of warmup and 2 mins of cooldown) to shift metabolism into a rate that will b…

> Exercise to reset metabolism is a better goal.

“Reset metabolism” sounds like bro science to me. Do you have some form of backup for this concept?

>Takes about 6 weeks of very short HIIT sprints (4 minutes of high intensity interval training with 30 second intervals of anaerobic effort, along with 2 mins of warmup and 2 mins of cooldown) to shift metabolism into a rate that will burn extra kcalories at rest (an order of magnitude more a day than from the exercise itself).

Source?

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by scrollaway »

brianwawok wrote: post #4
sharken wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why it's baffling that gyms are closed for five months straight where I live. And taxes on soft drinks are very low, which adds to the problem. So many problems that could be fixed with a bit of common sense by the politicians.

The people going to the gyms will find other ways to exercise. The people sitting at home obese are not impacted by closing gyms. If you want to prove me wrong, find some kind of report of what number of obese and morbidly obese people do weekly gym visits in the best of times? If you want to see how the sugar tax works, look at the rollout, fallout, and repeal of the sugar tax in Chicago. It didn’t go so well. It’s…

Here ice skating rinks are closed (outdoor-only ones are open to a maximum of four 12 year olds on the entire rink at once, it's fucking absurd).

I've not skated in seven months. My weight is stable thankfully because I spent 400 bucks buying a VR system and beat saber, not all my (mostly younger) skating fellows can afford that luxury. Running is out of the question, and gym at home is awfully boring.

Point is, do not just assume people will "find other ways to exercise". Sports centers should be considered health necessities, not recreational, in the context of the current pandemic.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

sharken wrote: post #3
ixacto wrote: post #2

Being overweight/obese will kill more people than COVID, and will still be killing people when COVID is eradicated. But the government is not doing a ban of HFCS by executive order.

Which is why it's baffling that gyms are closed for five months straight where I live. And taxes on soft drinks are very low, which adds to the problem. So many problems that could be fixed with a bit of common sense by the politicians.

Soda doesn't make people fat. People eating too much food makes people fat. This isn't a social issue, this is an independent self restraint issue.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by throwawaysea »

I recall reading an article about studies showing that the majority of people who were hospitalized for COVID in some country (the UK?) were either obese or had vitamin D deficiency (which can also be caused by obesity). I can’t seem to find it now, but it raises some interesting questions: Does all of society need to restrict itself to accommodate the safety of those who, mostly due to their own choices, are unhealthy? Or should those who are at risk or simply risk averse restrict themselves instead of demanding that all of society change so they can still retain some freedom for themselves? Should a child lose two years of socialization and education or should the obese adult just stay in?

Everyone has different opinions on these tough questions based on their values. I can’t help but feel that choice must be retained at the individual level in the end, so that each can act according to their own values, their own perception of risks and benefits, rather than one philosophy of risk management being forced on everyone.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by ixacto »

brianwawok wrote: post #4
sharken wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why it's baffling that gyms are closed for five months straight where I live. And taxes on soft drinks are very low, which adds to the problem. So many problems that could be fixed with a bit of common sense by the politicians.

The people going to the gyms will find other ways to exercise. The people sitting at home obese are not impacted by closing gyms. If you want to prove me wrong, find some kind of report of what number of obese and morbidly obese people do weekly gym visits in the best of times? If you want to see how the sugar tax works, look at the rollout, fallout, and repeal of the sugar tax in Chicago. It didn’t go so well. It’s…

Finding other ways to exercise can be difficult when it is cold and rainy out. I'm a month past having my 2nd dose of Moderna vaccine, covid is not really an issue anymore apart from people still being afraid of it/antivaxxers.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by dogma1138 »

brianwawok wrote: post #4
sharken wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why it's baffling that gyms are closed for five months straight where I live. And taxes on soft drinks are very low, which adds to the problem. So many problems that could be fixed with a bit of common sense by the politicians.

The people going to the gyms will find other ways to exercise. The people sitting at home obese are not impacted by closing gyms. If you want to prove me wrong, find some kind of report of what number of obese and morbidly obese people do weekly gym visits in the best of times? If you want to see how the sugar tax works, look at the rollout, fallout, and repeal of the sugar tax in Chicago. It didn’t go so well. It’s…

Weights and exercise equipment was unobtainable in early 2020 in the UK I wanted to buy some just before the lockdown but my GF said it would be silly.

Pull ups and some body weight exercise was the best I could do and honestly it wasn’t easy to keep going and I have found myself turning from a 6 day PPL to a couch potato especially during the 2nd lockdown.

I still run 5K 3-4 times a week and did a 10K run every other week but it wasn’t enough to prevent weight gain and muscle loss over nearly a year of interruption due to lockdown.

The biggest factor was also the lack of daily mobility I went down from 21K Aveo daily steps in 2019 to less than half of that in 2020 and early 2021.

You’ll be surprised just how much you lose from really only having to walk from the bed to your desk in the living room or spare bedroom for a year.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by totony »

brianwawok wrote: post #4
sharken wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why it's baffling that gyms are closed for five months straight where I live. And taxes on soft drinks are very low, which adds to the problem. So many problems that could be fixed with a bit of common sense by the politicians.

The people going to the gyms will find other ways to exercise. The people sitting at home obese are not impacted by closing gyms. If you want to prove me wrong, find some kind of report of what number of obese and morbidly obese people do weekly gym visits in the best of times? If you want to see how the sugar tax works, look at the rollout, fallout, and repeal of the sugar tax in Chicago. It didn’t go so well. It’s…

>The people sitting at home obese are not impacted by closing gyms.

That's doubtful & I would need a report to substantiate this /s

Clearly any hurdle you put in front of people wanting to better themselves is going to reduce the number of people that successfully implement that change. It might not be significant (that would be up to statistics), but it's way more grounded in common sense than saying that hurdles don't affect people.

Re: Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

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Post by Gravyness »

greenearth1 wrote: post #18

High COVID death rates being attributed to obesity rather than COVID certainly is a more rational conclusion.

yes, if only we came to that conclusion before!

This virus kills 0.01% of one group of people and 8% of another. We should really learn to use statistic to direct our limited efforts efficiently.

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