The Girl in the Kent State Photo

Post by Stupulous » Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

klmadfejno wrote: post #19

lazulicurio wrote: post #18

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FWIW I think that this attitude is at the core of issues such as mass shootings and police violence. That I think it's largely cultural is also why I'm not convinced that gun restrictions will be super-effective at combating it. I think that all humans experience some measure of schadenfreude at seeing people they dislike get a comeuppance, but I don't think that enjoying physical retribution is innate. I remember on…

> Christianity brought "turn the other cheek", but 2000 years later look where we are. I've no interest in a debate on religion, but Christianity is the religion that brought "bad people burn in hell for eternity".

Post by throw0101a » Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #54

throw0101a wrote: post #38

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Or they view justice differently: > Justice: The world may be a difficult place to live, but it is basically just; people usually get what they deserve. The difficulties in one's life serve as a test to sort the deserving from the undeserving. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Politics_(book)

Wow. Just wow. I don't live in a world where killing 4 students simply for standing around while a protest was going on to be just, even factoring in property damage, but you do you

Post by fruity123 » Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #9

"Back in Kent, Ohio, local business owners ran an ad thanking the National Guard. Mail poured in to the mayor's office, blaming "dirty hippies," "longhairs" and "outside agitators" for the violence. Some Kent residents raised four fingers when they passed each other in the street, a silent signal that meant, "At least we got four of them." Nixon issued a statement saying that the students' actions had invited the tra…

Post by mmcgaha » Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

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mmcgaha wrote: post #37

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Cruelty is a human trait that is not bound by nationality, race, nor religion. I get the desire to slice up the pie of humanity and point to the piece called America; it gives us hope that maybe the problem can be solved. No human cruelty will never go away. It may wax and wane, but it will always be in our nature.

Cruelty may not be bound by time and space, but historically, cruelty has been “unevenly distributed.” If we were sitting side-by-side in the Warsaw Ghetto, I might agree with you intellectually, but nevertheless my immediate concern would be for the localized cruelty. I very much disagree that pointing out a particularly virulent strain of cruelty is motivated by the desire to hope that the problem can be solved per…

Post by staticautomatic » Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 6:10 PM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #53

mmcgaha wrote: post #37

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Cruelty is a human trait that is not bound by nationality, race, nor religion. I get the desire to slice up the pie of humanity and point to the piece called America; it gives us hope that maybe the problem can be solved. No human cruelty will never go away. It may wax and wane, but it will always be in our nature.

> No human cruelty will never go away. It may wax and wane, but it will always be in our nature. I'm optimistic that it will decrease over time, because frankly it has been, if you look at history. I mean, I remember reading up on the "bog bodies" and they figured out that pretty much the whole lot of them died quite brutal deaths.