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It's a bank in the EU
Do they have the same reputation in the EU?
as an European, yes, I've never heard someone get the money back when their account was locked.
Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#462Earlier quoted context omitted.
Physical media doesn't automatically provide privacy. There are players which do track what blu-rays you put in them. Blu-ray players are internet enabled and include advertisements, which obviously can have tracking as well. Also you are tracked by the banks and stores you make the purchase from. You bought a Blu-Ray at Target on a Discover card. Target tracked it and sold it. Discover tracked it and sold it. Compan…
I literally bought many hundreds of used CDs and had them shipped to https://murfie.com/ to rip for me and give me FLACs automatically, because that was the only way to get lossless drm-free music I wanted legally. I even wrote a python library to automate the process since I had so much music I wanted to obtain legally that I needed bulk access. I spent thousands of dollars and many hours trying to play by the rules…
>Since that is usually not a thing, what other options do people that want freedom and privacy have?
A realization that your desire to access music and content with freedom and privacy DOES NOT SUPERSEDE the creators right to profit from their work. Look at where you are -- do the people in this community deserve to be paid for their code? Or can you take it from them if their feelings about privacy and freedom do not match yours perfectly?
I could say, I want bread but I don't want to contribute to capitalism, what option do I have? I'll just take. This isn't how we run our society. It's not how good people behave.
If you cannot abide by the authors/owners wishes, then you must set aside the entitlement you feel towards their work and simply move on without it.
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> Am I a criminal now anyway after all that work? You legally purchased the music and legally made backup copies of it. You are not a criminal. > I can't prove I own my own music if challenged I don't think that matters. Someone would need to prove you stole it, which they can't do since you didn't.
> I don't think that matters. Someone would need to prove you stole it, which they can't do since you didn't. Welcome to the civil law world, where they don't need to prove that at all, they just need to ask "on the balance of probabilities, is it more likely than not that a violation happened here?". Unfortunately, for many, juries, and even judges, the mere assertion thereof by a corporation, even if backed by scan…
While the standard is lower in civil law than criminal law, this isn't how it works at all.
The rightsholder does not want to fight you in court because the amount of money you can pay (most likely) is less than what they have to pay in legal fees to hire these guys to come after you.
The era of mass lawsuits ended like 10+ years ago. It was a hallmark of the 2000's. These days, rightsholders do the settlement fishing where they get enough data to subpoena your identity from your ISP, then send you settlement offers. They don't want you to show up in court, they want to spook you and get you to give them $1000 or something to make it go away.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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I had 19¢ in a bank account I that sat dormant for 4 year. Still there when I logged in and started using the account again.
Let's hope they don't close your account. In Futurama's "A Fishful of Dollars"[1] Fry discovers that the $0.93 he had in his account when he was cryogenically frozen in the year 2,000 had grown at 2.25% a year to almost $4.3 billion when he was reawakened 1,000 years later. Yes, the match checks out[2]: 0.93 * (1.0225 ^ 1000) ≈ 4,283,508,449.71 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fishful_of_Dollars [2] https://www.wo…
Of course that episode conveniently overlooks inflation. In reality, 4 billion dollars in the year 3000 would barely buy you a stick of Big Pink - the only gum made with the breath-freshening power of ham.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#465This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…
This is eerily similar to the Vitamin Water court case: The suit alleged that the marketing of the drink as a "healthful alternative" to soda is deceptive and in violation of Food and Drug Administration guidelines. (33 grams of sugar, etc)... Coca-Cola criticized the suit as "ridiculous" on the grounds that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking Vitaminwater was a healthy beverage" https://en.wikipedi…
And Fox "News" Tucker Carlson! Lies? Slander? Of course not - no "reasonable person" would believe he was telling the truth!
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...
Perhaps it's time we stopped allowing lawyers, the planet's most unreasonable people, to argue what a reasonable person would think. Would it be simpler if we resolved these cases by just asking a hundred people?
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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My understanding WRT buying a movie on iTunes was: 1. If you download the movie, you will always have the ability to play the movie you downloaded . 2. As long as Apple has the rights to distribute the movie, you will be able to re-download it again 3. If Apple loses the rights, and you don't have your own backed up copy , it's lost. It's the same for Audible books; which is why I always d/l and backup any movie or b…
Good summary. Bought, you’re able to download and keep a copy. Only issue then is DRM and knowing where that file is (and being able to relocate it).
The files will show up under “Movies” and “TV Shows” within your iTunes media folder. If you have a NAS or external HDD (that mounts prior to the media server service starting!) you can change your media folder to point to it. It still has DRM tho.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely Pretty sure that many people would be led to believe that.
Heck, I believed it. That, for me, was the main pull of buying on iTunes vs. streaming, because (not being in the US) I've been burned one too many times by streaming services pulling content because their license ran out. If iTunes might pull content I purchased at any time, that does make me rethink the whole thing.
> If iTunes might pull content I purchased at any time, that does make me rethink the whole thing.
Having spent well into the 4 digits, maybe 5, I’m rethinking this too. I feel like I’m being held hostage.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is eerily similar to the Vitamin Water court case: The suit alleged that the marketing of the drink as a "healthful alternative" to soda is deceptive and in violation of Food and Drug Administration guidelines. (33 grams of sugar, etc)... Coca-Cola criticized the suit as "ridiculous" on the grounds that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking Vitaminwater was a healthy beverage" https://en.wikipedi…
And Fox "News" Tucker Carlson! Lies? Slander? Of course not - no "reasonable person" would believe he was telling the truth! https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-... Perhaps it's time we stopped allowing lawyers, the planet's most unreasonable people, to argue what a reasonable person would think. Would it be simpler if we resolved these cases by just asking a hundred people?
> Would it be simpler if we resolved these cases by just asking a hundred people?
That’ll quickly end in mob rule.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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This is already reality. Paypal shuts down inactive accounts. (And guess what they do with the positive balance.)
PayPal isn't a bank. They don't have the same obligations or protection. When a bank closes your account, they mail you a check with the balance, and that balance is insured up to $250,000. I don't know how it works in other countries, but they probably have something like the FDIC.
Russian banks need to do the same
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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That is a protection. The government holds the money and you can apply for it anytime. As can your relatives. Have you never received unclaimed funds you didn't know were due to you?
> Have you never received unclaimed funds you didn't know were due to you? No... have you?
I've got a $200 check sitting on my desk from this very thing.