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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by lemming »

shafyy wrote: post #269
rubicon33 wrote: post #242

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I'll never understand this. You presumably are biking on the street, at best in a bike lane, at worst in the shoulder, and are placing so much confidence in other people to not hit you. Given how SHIT other people are at driving, I have no desire whatsoever to be on a bicycle in front of them.

It's important that cities build great biking infrastructure to alleviate this problem. At the same time, this is used by a lot of people as an excuse to not get a bike. In fact, it's not that dangerous as you make it out to be as is proven by statistics I guess (didn't look them up)

Here are the stats for New Zealand: https://ehinz.ac.nz/indicators/transport/road-traffic-injury...

Bikes are definitely far more dangerous than cars. Not as much as motorcycles, but that’s scant comfort.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by Foivos »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

It is way better to buy a car that is designed from zero to be electric, rather than a car that used to be ICE and now they have tried to fit electric vehicle components to it.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by mantas »

rswail wrote: post #533
macintux wrote: post #359

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> driven by soccer moms I’d really like to get away from this phrase. Some of the most avid off-roading Jeepers I know are women. And mothers. And for all I know they take their kids to soccer. “Soccer moms” is a terrible phrase.

"Suburban parent" doesn't have the same ring to it. I've also heard the term "Mum's taxi" in Australia.

Mommybus

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by mantas »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #553
vladvasiliu wrote: post #540

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> Isn't that insanely inconvenient? It takes so much more space, needs so much more fuel, is so much more bulky to drive .. is that bit of "status" actually worth it? I'm wondering the same thing, especially since I see more and more of those trucks in Paris, France. Now I've never been to the US, but one thing with European cities is that there are a lot of old, small streets. We also never really had big cars like…

>especially since I see more and more of those trucks in Paris, France Yep, this trend exploded almost everywhere in Europe and I think I found the answer to why. Lots of my male colleagues at work (devs in Europe) are married and have kids on the way and when discussions came at lunchtime about buying a new family car for taking the kids places it seemed like the choice is always a SUV. Whenever I ask them why a SUV…

Another thing is today's compact cars are getting ridiculously low. I don't want SUV, but I want to drive on crappy gravel roads with confidence and park close to curb without scratching bottom of the bumper. Regular cars used to allow that 2 decades ago. Now I'll need a „raised“ car for that :(

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Post by jackson1442 »

georgeecollins wrote: post #434
jackson1442 wrote: post #178

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Anyone who's driven on a highway in Texas knows this is likely untrue, at least for most F150 owners. I see a shocking number of pristine, washed and waxed F150s every single day when I'm driving. Those and Ram 1500s dominate the roads here. I don't even live in a rural area. I live in DFW.

Surprise! People buy cars that are not functional but aspirational. Can we add: - SUVs that are are really just wagons or hatchback with big tires. - Sports cars that will never see a track and couldn't possibly be driven safely at half their top speed. - Trucks with reinforced bumpers, headlamps and gas cans so that they are ready for Baja or more likely Target. - Your BMW or Mercedes that convinces me you are reall…

I give SUV drivers a bit of merit. Many (most?) come with a third row or at least the option for one so they are the most practical way to carry around up to 8 people at once safely.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

mantas wrote: post #564
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #553

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>especially since I see more and more of those trucks in Paris, France Yep, this trend exploded almost everywhere in Europe and I think I found the answer to why. Lots of my male colleagues at work (devs in Europe) are married and have kids on the way and when discussions came at lunchtime about buying a new family car for taking the kids places it seemed like the choice is always a SUV. Whenever I ask them why a SUV…

Another thing is today's compact cars are getting ridiculously low. I don't want SUV, but I want to drive on crappy gravel roads with confidence and park close to curb without scratching bottom of the bumper. Regular cars used to allow that 2 decades ago. Now I'll need a „raised“ car for that :(

That's for fuel efficiency reasons. Cars lower to the ground get much better mileage at highway speeds since they have less aerodynamic drag.

And it's not just compact cars, modern SUVs, except the ones destined for workhorse off-roading, are also lower to the ground than they were 20 or so years ago since they never leave the city/highway anyway.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by Blumfid »

Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

We are at the beginning of ev and you already can buy them at affordable prices just not yet in every category.

Give it time. Right now a ton of money gets invested into batteries and co.

When you look how much impact proper market penetration is for prices (see smartphones, solar energy etc.) It will come and fast.

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Post by saiya-jin »

cranekam wrote: post #502
hashkb wrote: post #427

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It's a very light truck. Especially these days. Seems like a vanity vehicle mostly. If you're hauling you have a bigger truck, and if you're offroading you have a jeep or something. Nobody is using electric for anything that we'd relate to as "critical" or "high availability". In fact, there are trucks that just bring gasoline to bigger trucks. Source: I live at 8300ft in Colorado.

The difference in what’s called “light” in the US and Europe is huge. The F-150 is, to me (a European), a very substantial vehicle. Its front end is the height of a medium-sized family car!

Yeah almost nobody drives those here. They would take every single time 2 parking spaces and stick out big time, and as mentioned in this thread its mostly a vanity car. Most of the underground parking wouldn't be accessible with it. Contractors/small companies have vans which are much more useful for actual work (ie load capacity, permanently covered) and cost less to buy and run. Which are the most important criteria to run a business successfully.

For personal driving, either fugly SUVs or wagon types offer much better... well everything. Operating costs, much better driving experience, you can actually park it everywhere.

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Post by plondon514 »

Zanni wrote: post #422
Graffur wrote: post #299

Can someone living in an apartment with no charging point at their space get an electric car?

Yeah, maybe. It really depends on your use case and the charging you have available to you. If you're mostly going back and forth to work and you can charge there, then definitely yes. If you drive a lot and you don't have access to a convenient Level 3 charger, then probably no. I had my Model S about 18 months before I could get a home charger installed at my townhouse. I spent a lot of time in the Whole Foods park…

Mind sharing the level 3 location?

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Post by kgwgk »

cranekam wrote: post #502
hashkb wrote: post #427

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It's a very light truck. Especially these days. Seems like a vanity vehicle mostly. If you're hauling you have a bigger truck, and if you're offroading you have a jeep or something. Nobody is using electric for anything that we'd relate to as "critical" or "high availability". In fact, there are trucks that just bring gasoline to bigger trucks. Source: I live at 8300ft in Colorado.

The difference in what’s called “light” in the US and Europe is huge. The F-150 is, to me (a European), a very substantial vehicle. Its front end is the height of a medium-sized family car!

The operative word is “truck”.
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