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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by arcticbull »

hammock wrote: post #117
gher-shyu3i wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immunity is not permanent. We know people who got infected more than once.

Even taking the data least charitable to my postulate, a study[1] (which there are issues with that I will not mention) using a sample of 63 million medical records found a reinfection rate of 0.48% compared to 2.2% infection rate for the previously uninfected. This study therefore estimated protection against reinfection was 78.8%. That's higher than the 72% efficacy offered by the J&J vaccine. [1] https://www.eurek…

Potentially all the vaccines; the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were tested before the emergence of variants. The J&J was more effective in the US where fewer variants were present at the time of testing than internationally where the opposite was true.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

nostromo wrote: post #66

Now maybe the US can finally approve the AstraZeneca vaccine and put our 20 million (!) doses on hand to good use. Or not! But if we’re not going to use them, we should send them to another country like Canada or Mexico or Australia or the UK or EU, all of which have approved it and administered millions of doses. Sitting on 10s of millions of vaccines during a pandemic is inexcusable.

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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by _Microft »

hammock wrote: post #99
_wldu wrote: post #77

I had Covid in March 2020. It almost did me in. Was in ICU for a while. Had the J&J shot three weeks ago. Did not feel a thing. My arm was slightly sore at injection site. Nothing else. I guess my body was used to it and just sort of shrugged it off. Some of my friends who got J&J were sick for a few days, but rebounded quickly after that.

What prompted you to get a vaccine when you have already developed immunity?

„Developed immunity“ is speculation, so this should rather read

„What prompted you to get a vaccine when you have already had COVID?“

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Post by refurb »

option wrote: post #18
jdavis703 wrote: post #16

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No one is being forced to take vaccines. It’s already announced there will be no federal vaccine passport, and many states are banning passports.

at least here, in California, you can not chose which one you get when making the appointment or when arriving at the vaccination site. Also CSU and UC will require vaccinations for return to on-campus. (Though I'm not sure that they will be able to do so until vaccines are under "emergency use" authorization, not a regular one)

Considering no ID was required to get a vaccine and the “proof” is nothing more than a date written on a card, I’m curious how they will enforce it.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

hammock wrote: post #99
_wldu wrote: post #77

I had Covid in March 2020. It almost did me in. Was in ICU for a while. Had the J&J shot three weeks ago. Did not feel a thing. My arm was slightly sore at injection site. Nothing else. I guess my body was used to it and just sort of shrugged it off. Some of my friends who got J&J were sick for a few days, but rebounded quickly after that.

What prompted you to get a vaccine when you have already developed immunity?

I had COVID in March 2020 too (not as serious of a case as GP) and I'm getting my 2nd Vaccine does tomorrow so I'll answer for myself.

It's actually quite simple for me I'm traveling internationally again and the the first country on my list is a lot easier to get into if you're fully vaccinated. It seems like things will coalesce around people who are vaccinated having greater access to things, at least until enough of the world population is vaccinated that it doesn't matter.

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Post by refurb »

notsrg wrote: post #171
refurb wrote: post #168

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10M doses or enough to vaccinate 2.8% of the US population doesn’t seem like a lot to be sitting on?

That's 25% of the population of Canada.

Sure, but if Canada had a pending decision on a vaccine and didn’t want to export inventory until then would anyone blame them?

And decisions to invest in R&D and production facilities has consequences. Canada is finally getting on the ball to build a vaccine factory that will be ready in 2024. Maybe.

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Post by dragonwriter »

refurb wrote: post #186
notsrg wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's 25% of the population of Canada.

Sure, but if Canada had a pending decision on a vaccine and didn’t want to export inventory until then would anyone blame them? And decisions to invest in R&D and production facilities has consequences. Canada is finally getting on the ball to build a vaccine factory that will be ready in 2024. Maybe.

The US has no pending decision on AZ; AZ hasn’t applied for any kind of approval in the US, and officials have indicated that they hope AZ doesn't.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by dragonwriter »

arsome wrote: post #53
option wrote: post #40

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yeah, when I went (and got Moderna), I saw many people (who booked the appointment) asking staff "Is it Pfizer" and leaving when the answer was No.

That seems like a really weird decision because both Moderna and Pfizer are using very similar technologies and haven't had much negative press coverage.

anecdotally, I've heard that people are experiencing worse second-dose side effects with Moderna (not dangerous, just the 1-2 day sick feeling).

I wouldn't dodge it because of it, but people might.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

kosievdmerwe wrote: post #111
histriosum wrote: post #54

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Yes. You are free to make a choice, not free from the consequences of that choice.

This is a meaningless statement. It pretty much makes the idea of "coercion" impossible. "The mugger didn't force you give him your money. You could have chosen to say no. You being killed is just you not being free of the consequences of your choice". Imposing consequences on people is coercing them to make the choice you want them to. None of the consequences mentioned are natural consequences, like getting sick fr…

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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by halfjoking »

void_mint wrote: post #51
option wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, when I went (and got Moderna), I saw many people (who booked the appointment) asking staff "Is it Pfizer" and leaving when the answer was No.

My personal take was just to avoid J&J in favor of mRNA vaccines, but only because of my vague obsessive anxiety.

I have the opposite take.

It seems it would be harder for the government to insert a "biological backdoor" into a viral vector vaccine than something that runs any RNA code as long as it's encoded in a special lipid delivery system (according to my limited understanding). 1 in 250k chance of blood clots is nothing... at least compared to the anxiety of the government having a switch in my biology that could melt my brain at anytime.

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