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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Imagine a bank marketing itself as "No reasonable consumer would believe that their deposits will remain in the bank indefinitely" This is a really awe-inspiring, a complete rejection of the concept of ownership

No reasonable lender would believe that I am paying that loan back.

oh no no THAT's unreasonable

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Imagine a bank marketing itself as "No reasonable consumer would believe that their deposits will remain in the bank indefinitely" This is a really awe-inspiring, a complete rejection of the concept of ownership

Actually that is correct in many countries (including US). After a period of inactivity (typically 3-5 years) the bank is required to turn over the money from inactive accounts to the state. This process is called escheatment. I'm not joking.

would be nice if apple/amazon/google did that too

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Google Play Movies does this too. I can "buy" a movie for $20 and I'm blessed with the ability to "download" it only through the app on up to 5 whole devices as long as it's in their catalogue. Incredible! It's only a slightly shadier practice than Spotify, but with Spotify there's no implication of owning anything, just accessing it and caching it, but Spotify (and Netflix) are great examples of how your favourite m…

it's official.. we need to cut out all middle men.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #229

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DRM isn't the only problem. Watermarks are as well, they ruin the sound quality. Its a bit disappointing FSF doesn't mention Fairphone, as they offer a smartphone made from slave-free labour (Librem 5 isn't).

Fairphone relies on Qualcomm, which forces planned obsolescence through proprietary software [0]. This is why FSF do not recommend it. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26593274 Consider Librem 5 USA instead: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa . It is produced in USA.

For me it is pointless to buy made in USA given NSA. I would be better off blending in crowd, or buying from within EU.

As for planned obsolescence, FP2 has 5+ years of support as we speak. Without help from Qualcomm, as they EOLed SD800/801 long ago. That's the same SOC as in the Mars helicopter, btw.

The point I made still stands: Librem 5 is made from slave labour (gold, cobalt). Especially sour with the 2000 USD price tag.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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I've seen the phrase "Own it in {HD/BluRay/4K}" so many times and always cringe. You're just owning a limited license ( extremely limited, in the case of digital goods) to watch. The average HN user can spot the difference and say "of course you don't own it, and in case of streaming, you only have access for as long as the service is around", but that's not what the average consumer sees. "Buy" and "own" have very s…

It’s a rejection of the whole concept of private property, where people own nothing and have no rights. Imagine if these practices had been applied for centuries to groceries and tools - you had to sign a contract specifying your rights etc for every single thing in your life for century after century. It would be perverse

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

This is eerily similar to the Vitamin Water court case:

The suit alleged that the marketing of the drink as a "healthful alternative" to soda is deceptive and in violation of Food and Drug Administration guidelines.

(33 grams of sugar, etc)...

Coca-Cola criticized the suit as "ridiculous" on the grounds that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking Vitaminwater was a healthy beverage"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Brands#vitaminwater

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #439

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There are ebook scanning services that do a great job. I have used bookscan.us for hundreds of books for years and it works well.

The only issue I have is most of them require the destruction of the book by removing the pages. Many of mine are very rare and collectible now costing hundreds of dollars so it would be a crime to damage them. Do you know of services that can do this without damage?

I unfortunately don't know of any services that do this non destructively. However, there are scanner designs that Archive.org use to scan rare books. I'll try to find references but I think they'll require construction - afaik, no one sells such a scanner ready to purchase.

Edit: Ask and ye shall receive: https://www.amazon.com/Fujitsu-ScanSnap-SV600-Overhead-Scann... - had no idea this existed. Very tempting - Fujitsu makes solid scanners .

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

And let's add to this that you can very easily lose even the "rental" if you simply move to a different country. If I buy a physical copy, not only do I permanently own it, I can take it to the other side of the world with me if I want to.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #89

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I would require copyright holders to renew their copyright. 5 years for free, then $1 for the 6th year, $2 for the 7th, $4 for the 8th, $8 for the 9th, $1m for the 25th, etc.

I don't think that's the right set of incentives: 1. Different industries have different paces; it might take 25 years for any NASA software to be fully developed in the first place, whereas if you haven't made back your money on your singleplayer videogame after 10 years, you probably won't ever make it back. Point is, there is no flat duration that is fair to every work out there. 2. almost by definition, the stuff…

> it might take 25 years for any NASA software to be fully developed in the first place

NASA is a government agency, the work should be in the public domain

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #89

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I would require copyright holders to renew their copyright. 5 years for free, then $1 for the 6th year, $2 for the 7th, $4 for the 8th, $8 for the 9th, $1m for the 25th, etc.

Does the clock reset if you update the original work? With rolling releases, who determines when the clock officially starts? Also you'd have to account for industries where copyright/trademark/patents could overlap on products. While a nice idea, I imagine it would become a bureaucratic nightmare to implement as a law. But nevertheless, we need to think about new ways to fix the current broken system.

Sure, the new version (where Greedo shoots at Han) would reset the clock, but the original work (Where only Han shoots) still remains the same, and to be renewed would cost Disney $500b to renew it this year.
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