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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by lrvick »

nomel wrote: post #360
lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

Almost all of my optical media from around the year 2000 oxidized and stopped working. I've lost more CDs, DVDs, and blue rays to scratches than I care to admit. Many of my old photos and books were destroyed with some water damage. Much of it was due to improper storage, but that's where the very real value of not having something physical or on site comes from. When I get a choice between cloud and physical, I now…

This is a real shame.

I encourage anyone with physical media to make digital backups right away in case the media becomes unreadable down the road.

Then the original media, readable or not, is just a physical license certificate that sits on a shelf.

In the case of blu-rays or DVDs be sure you rip them by simply doing analog MITM recording in a custom LCD controller just after the DRM decryption is done so you don't break DRM circumvention laws.

For sure avoid using any of the really good open source tools that can get you identical copies in a shorter period of time. That would be illegal.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by mortenjorck »

geoelectric wrote: post #372
mortenjorck wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has happened to me with iTunes, and Apple's contention in the suit has been expressed to me by Apple support. A few months ago, I was browsing my iTunes cloud library and noticed that an album I had purchased years prior was missing a few songs. I contacted support, and the support agent explained to me that the rights holder had removed the songs from the store, and thus they were now removed from my library. (…

I wonder if Match would have caused it to silently re-upload your missing files then supply them back. It's the (supposed, it's very confusing) difference between Match as a standalone service and the Apple Music streaming service when it comes to your own library--Match will serve back your own music files to you if not already on the service. OTOH, I have no idea what it does if it thinks it matched on the service…

That's what I would expect the behavior with Match to be, but this was after I had switched back to Spotify and no longer had an active Apple Music / iTunes Match subscription. Without an active subscription, the library would revert to only purchased (excluding no-longer purchasable) items.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

reaperducer wrote: post #433
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most users just do not care about "owning" DRM-free files. Most users don't have any clue about how to store, manage, or safeguard their DRM-free digital purchases.

Most users don't have any clue about how to store, manage, or safeguard their DRM-free digital purchases They figured out how to care for records, cassettes, and videotapes. They just need an incentive to learn.

Define "care" for. Stuff them into a box in the basement? Caring for physical media is quite obvious and easy to research in 5 minutes. To care for digital goods you need a computer to store them on and make backups. Backups mean choosing a backup service. These all require accounts, passwords, and security. Backups require the Internet. How good is your Internet service. Where do I get DRM-free digital goods?

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Post by Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL »

dhruvrrp wrote: post #39

It's not just Apple, almost all online services charge an extra to buy movies/tv shows compared to renting, even when it's impossible to get that movie out of the online service. So now there is a whole variety of movies/shows you just can't buy ( unless they have a physical release). This is especially problematic for older shows, which don't have physical copies at all. For example, I've recently been trying to pur…

I've bought it on DVD years back, and still re-watch it somewhat regularly. Love that series... both of them (Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister). That said, and as many echo again and again... for the technically skilled: piracy is an option. It's sad, but once you've exhausted a "reasonable" amount of effort to watch something legally, it's up to you how "bad" you feel for reverting to other means. Pretty sure any film enthusiast is faced with that conundrum on a regular basis.

side-note: I'm so happy to have found a reason to talk about the series. So many scenes are stuck in my head and come to mind when reminded about world affairs constantly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4 this one for example with Russia and Crimea (just an example off the top of my head)

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by lrvick »

pontifier wrote: post #410
lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

I'm committed to reviving Murfie.com a digital access and remote ownership service that respects ownership of media.

I really hope that is true. This was such a step in the right direction.

I would like to have a complete set of the FLAC files for the hundreds of CDs I have in your warehouse, and my original disks back.

At that point I would gladly start shipping new batches of disks to be ripped to continue building my legal FLAC collection.

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Post by brailsafe »

Google Play Movies does this too. I can "buy" a movie for $20 and I'm blessed with the ability to "download" it only through the app on up to 5 whole devices as long as it's in their catalogue. Incredible!

It's only a slightly shadier practice than Spotify, but with Spotify there's no implication of owning anything, just accessing it and caching it, but Spotify (and Netflix) are great examples of how your favourite movies can go missing on a weekly basis.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by pix64 »

mortenjorck wrote: post #253
hyperman1 wrote: post #13

This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

This has happened to me with iTunes, and Apple's contention in the suit has been expressed to me by Apple support. A few months ago, I was browsing my iTunes cloud library and noticed that an album I had purchased years prior was missing a few songs. I contacted support, and the support agent explained to me that the rights holder had removed the songs from the store, and thus they were now removed from my library. (…

I would have demanded a refund

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Post by brailsafe »

thought_alarm wrote: post #238
Cyph0n wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But can you copy a movie out of iTunes onto, say, an external HD? I thought Apple used DRM for purchased media.

They use DRM, but movies and TV shows are downloaded as regular movie files. You can move and copy them to wherever you want. Downloaded movie files can be played using either iTunes or the QuickTime Player, copied to an iOS device, or streamed to an Apple TV box.

Can you play them without first-party Apple software? Would you say they're acting as a true vendor in this sense?

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Post by jedc »

I'm surprised to see nothing on this thread about Movies Anywhere. You can use it to meld the IRL DVD purchase with the online ease of access - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movies_Anywhere

If you buy the DVD, you get a little code to enter in the Movies Anywhere site/app. Once you do that (and connect your account to Apple, Google, etc.) then you can access the movie you purchased anywhere.

I've done this a few times - I buy the DVD but never actually watch it. Instead I have it registered with Google Play and watch it that way because it's just more convenient with my TV.

KEY - NOT ALL CONTENT is available this way. But enough is to make it a pretty nice experience. (Movies Anywhere is owned by Disney)

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