Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

Post by geoelectric » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

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Designing an electric car has a lot of different design tradeoffs than a gas car, so cars that are designed from the ground up as electric are going to perform better than gas cars that are electrified. The biggest two factors are that the battery is large and heavy, but is flexible in the shape it assumes. For good handling, you'd like to have this weight as low on the car as possible, and close to the center. The a…

But Tesla's cars are exactly this - they are largely gas sedans that look normal and are electric. People don't want some dorky looking electric car like Volkswagen's or BMW's. They want a normal car that's electric.

Post by hodgesrm » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:30 PM UTC

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Actually not even half way, depending on origin and direction of travel. IIRC highway I-10 starts around milepost 810 on the Texas/Louisiana border. It's a big state. Off-topic but Texan inhabitants I know used to measure the length of the drives in number of beers consumed en route. Austin to Waco was a comparatively modest 5 beer trip, for example.

880 not 810. And surely given TX open container laws applying to a six pack even then they’d shotgun the sixth

Post by tln » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

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Battery swaps are incredibly costly for the company - those units generally cost more than 10k - sometimes as high as 20k. Given that they are the majority of the cost of the vehicle it's not a great business proposition for manufacturers to offer to replace a battery for anything less than the majority of the cost of a new vehicle which consumers simply won't go for.

You get the uncharged battery back, though, which you can then charge and give to another person. It's like a propane cylinder swap.

Post by sib » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:35 PM UTC

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Gas is down to $3 and electric $12/kWh, with the state now charging electric vehicles higher registration fees yearly to offset the gas tax savings. There's likely small savings every year, but we're talking almost $20K price difference, maybe $12K with federal (and no state) rebate, you aren't going to be breaking even. Plus fun fact: My insurance would go up a lot with a Model 3 from my current vehicle, 25% more a…

Am I understanding this right? You're saying that gas is $3/gallon and electricity is $12/kWh? Over here gas is around $7,50-$8 per gallon and electricity is around $0.05/kWh. A 100km drive in an EV costs around 2€, while in a petrol powered car the cost is 8.5€ for a low consumption car. No wonder Americans drive huge cars with no regard to consumption :D

Post by sib » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:38 PM UTC

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I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

> But yet an electric is going to replace a $21K Honda Civic by 2025? What's the average selling price of a Civic? With options the Civic can sell for over $35k.