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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by danans »

rsync wrote: post #142

Is it their electric car or is it their car, electric ? I don't want your electric car. I don't want your e-initiative i-mobile green-tech tron-car. I want one of your actual cars, just electric . I don't want an ID.4 - I just want a Passat. I don't want the polestar e-initiative i-concept - I just want a V90 wagon. I don't want a future space truck, I just want a Silverado - but electric. God. Dammit.

They are creating a new brand altogether, much as they did with the Beetle 80+ years ago. This line of vehicles are intended to replace the Passat, Jetta, etc, not be their electric alternative.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by anticristi »

Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

This. I made a business case for keeping my old car or buying a similarly-sized electric one. No matter how high the downtime cost, my old beaten up car wins financially.

Feels like electric cars are still designed to "signal greenness" and not actually save the planet.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by xeromal »

mmglr wrote: post #48

The 1st edition is already "sold out". Reserving the AWD Pro S Gradient, a $49,675 car, is $100. So I suspect the 1st edition was around that same reservation cost. Too low. Everyone has $100 laying around. IMO reservations should be 10% msrp so that only serious buyers can make reservations.

10% is a bit high. Would take a lot of nads to drop 5k on a car that may or may not come out in a few years.

$1000 feels more like the sweet spot.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by theshrike79 »

datavirtue wrote: post #127
dreamcompiler wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VW is pretty far behind Tesla in battery technology.[0] Still, this seems like a good car for a large number of drivers. The VW charging network is building out rapidly (I've noticed that VW's chargers are largely in the same locations as Tesla's superchargers. Wonder why?) The Tesla Model Y Long Range is rated at 326 miles and in my experience that's accurate and completely practical. As to your criterion of "500ish…

It is extremely common to fill up any ICE and get nearly 500 miles. It's almost like they sized the tanks to that standard.

Of the 8 cars I've owned so far, only one could do over 800km reliably with one tank (VW Passat Diesel). Most could handle around 500-600km (375-ish max).

My current EV can do around 280-300km in one go and it hasn't limited me once. Back seat needs a pee-break after 200-250km anyway =)

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by martyvis »

plorkyeran wrote: post #124
agloeregrets wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup! Plus in the US the majority of all cars are not parked in a garage or driveway. How do those charge?

I see power cables running out to a car parked in front of a house fairly regularly.

In inner Sydney suburbs with terrace houses, the 2sigma distance to your street parked car might be 100 metres. You can't run an extension cord that far

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Post by dojomouse »

akomtu wrote: post #130
cjblomqvist wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "problem" in the US is the cheap gas, at least compared to EU. Taxing gas according to the CO2 cost would make it drastically different in TCO.

Half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and they need cars. I'm not sure their minimum wage can afford them carbon taxes.

Do what Canada does; add a carbon tax and distribute the proceeds. This is generally a progressive tax scheme so low income people end up with MORE money.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by akomtu »

wayanon wrote: post #143
akomtu wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and they need cars. I'm not sure their minimum wage can afford them carbon taxes.

It’s weird because I associate car ownership with wealth! I’m in my 40s in London in the UK earning an ok salary and neither me nor many of many friends have a car.

I don't know much about London, but in the US the arrangement is that expensive cities provide work and hoards of minimum wage workers live in exurbs 1-2 hours away from those cities. They have to wake up at 6 am, spend an hour or more in atrocious traffic on a highway with other minimum wage workers, then do the same in the reverse at the end of the day. On a bus it would take 2x longer. They don't have a choice. Now if you force them to swap their rusty gas cars for ev ones (beware, 3k usd for them is a massive expense) and force them to spend 1 hour a day recharging those ev cars, the US economy would stall as the wealthy hipsters in the cities won't do the service jobs.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by outside1234 »

OBFUSCATED wrote: post #174

Is this why volkswagen.com is down? There was an unexpected error (type=Internal Server Error, status=500). Redis command timed out; nested exception is io.lettuce.core.RedisCommandTimeoutException: Command timed out after 1 minute(s)

That doesn't bode well for their in car digital services.
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