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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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That is a protection. The government holds the money and you can apply for it anytime. As can your relatives. Have you never received unclaimed funds you didn't know were due to you?

> Have you never received unclaimed funds you didn't know were due to you? No... have you?

Yes, I have. My state has a website where you can search for and claim your funds back. It's quite easy.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

> We got scammed. Well, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are forgetting about how it looked before you could buy online. I pay for convenience which is a service rather than tangible good. If I need a book for my research, I would prefer to have access to it immediately rather than wait two weeks to get it from overseas. My time is valuable and the pause on the project or inconvenience of not hav…

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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The convenience argument is such bullshit. We have been seduced into selling our rights down the river because we will sacrifice anything to this most pathetic of gods, Convenience. I have been fighting in this war (anti-DRM/copyleft/etc) for decades, and peoples' susceptibility to convenience has always effectively thwarted any kind of counter argument. We are fucking lazy and we should be ashamed of it. Yes I am bi…

How long did it take for you to write the machine code that posted this comment?

I C what you did.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

> We got scammed. Well, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are forgetting about how it looked before you could buy online. I pay for convenience which is a service rather than tangible good. If I need a book for my research, I would prefer to have access to it immediately rather than wait two weeks to get it from overseas. My time is valuable and the pause on the project or inconvenience of not hav…

Remember when we could buy mp3s on the iTunes store? Why can't we buy our movies as mp4s on the Apple Movies store?

I would have convenience (more convenience than I have now, I argue). They could still have a cloud offering that only lasts as long as they feel like it.

That would be enough to make this lawsuit go away. So, no, it isn't that we are now buying convenience so we must bend our backs to their spying and control. We had both freedom and control in the digital music ecosystem for more than ten years.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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"The books stopped working" is a fantastic writing prompt for a dystopian novel.

Take a look at this great story from Richard Stallman: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

Wow, this is mind-blowingly prescient.

> Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.

Shoutouts to the UEFI secure boot fiasco.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

My understanding WRT buying a movie on iTunes was: 1. If you download the movie, you will always have the ability to play the movie you downloaded . 2. As long as Apple has the rights to distribute the movie, you will be able to re-download it again 3. If Apple loses the rights, and you don't have your own backed up copy , it's lost. It's the same for Audible books; which is why I always d/l and backup any movie or b…

This is true, but movies purchased on iTunes can only be downloaded at 720p or 1080p. To play back in 4k/HDR it must be streamed. It sucks because I don't own a 4K blu-ray player but wanted a few movies to try out my OLED and bought some movies on iTunes. They look great, and comparisons online put them within close distance to 4k blu-rays in quality, but I can never "own" them in full resolution.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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> We got scammed. Well, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are forgetting about how it looked before you could buy online. I pay for convenience which is a service rather than tangible good. If I need a book for my research, I would prefer to have access to it immediately rather than wait two weeks to get it from overseas. My time is valuable and the pause on the project or inconvenience of not hav…

Well that is service vs non service model. For example lets say you buy a ebook from Amazon. You expect the book to stay with you forever. It costs Amazon next to nothing to transfer the 5mb of book data I need to read the book. Compare that with subscription to Kindle unlimited. You get some books you can read but lose access to them once you unsubscribe. You are not being lied to in the subscription model but it se…

Yeah, I think that's why I object much less to Netflix's DRM than to iTunes DRM on movies that I've "bought". Netflix, HBO+, Disney+ never give you the illusion that anything involving them is permanent.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

We need consumer digital rights. Any device, service, or license that depends on an external server should be required to carry an expiration date that defines the minimum length of time for which the maker is willing to support it. Failure to render that support should result in liability for a full refund of the purchase price.

The other day I saw a dusty copy of Tabula Rasa on the shelf at Walmart. That game shut down twelve years ago.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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I have been looking for a book title to express my discontent at the state of freedom and privacy in our rapidly all digital society today and what we can do about it. There are several more cases of books being remotely disabled and I see this being used for censorship before long. ...Noted

You should check out the book "Radicalized" by Cory Doctorow! It's four short stories. The first one - "Unauthorized Bread" was published online: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-...

On the way! Thanks.
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