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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I saw one in the wild last week and I am very happy to see that they look great and normal.

On the subject of styling I still find these electric cars slightly off with the plastic where the grill normally be. It just seems wrong - especially with a company like Tesla which has no design heritage to be bound to, one expects better. The Taycan doesn't have this issue at the front, and I think it's a good looking thing.

Why would you have a grill when you don’t have any need for it?

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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What I’m really curious to see is whether or not “electric” is the single killer feature it is often positioned as. Semi-autonomous driving and overall UX are two places that Tesla is just so far ahead. I think other manufacturers will make progress, but they are likely to be slow. Electric is compelling but it’s only a small part of the overall value prop for a lot of buyers.

Is this comment meant to be ironic? The removal of physical buttons a main cluster for the driver and the lack of a HUD are all terrible UX decisions. People believe it is all part of the grand "autonomous driving" meme but the reality is that all cars that have been purchased today are going to be used up long before level 4 autonomy is passed through the legislation.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

#53
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As someone who drives about 300 miles each way rather regularly, for me it -is- a real concern. Re: battery swapping, are you referring to the idea of like, hot swapping batteries on the road, or swapping to an upgraded battery at some point? I'm only specifically interested in the latter.

600 mile round trips are not a common use case. You are going to have to be patient with two full charging stops, or pay a premium.

I agree.

Honestly, I think if I were to drive a seriously long distance, I'd rent a car. Not only does it save wear 'n tear, but it's hard to find something that's more of a pain than a mechanical breakdown a long way from home with something you own.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

#54
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n=1 of course, but to me Teslas aren't compelling until they 1) are a company I want to support, 2) building a vehicle I want, at 3) a price I want to pay. They fail #1 in a bunch of entertaining ways, they don't make a vehicle that satisfies #2 either in features/size or in the absence of misfeatures like the center console or the quasi-automated car crasher, and they'd have to take a significant haircut to satisfy…

I agree with your points in general, the main reason I don't want a Tesla is that they all look the same to me, across models, years, features, they just have a similar look and it's boring. I wish they also offered a wide range of body modifications to add some flavor and individuality to the car.

They really do look like the mid-range car in a video game. Not bad, but just a bit too American and safe for my eyes.

I'm curious what a Cybertruck will actually end up looking like since they seem to have actually gone for risky with it.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

#55
post #46

I saw one in the wild last week and I am very happy to see that they look great and normal.

On the subject of styling I still find these electric cars slightly off with the plastic where the grill normally be. It just seems wrong - especially with a company like Tesla which has no design heritage to be bound to, one expects better. The Taycan doesn't have this issue at the front, and I think it's a good looking thing.

I keep hoping that someone builds an electric car that looks like an early 911.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

#56
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the subject of styling I still find these electric cars slightly off with the plastic where the grill normally be. It just seems wrong - especially with a company like Tesla which has no design heritage to be bound to, one expects better. The Taycan doesn't have this issue at the front, and I think it's a good looking thing.

Why would you have a grill when you don’t have any need for it?

That's my point, though, the front doesn't need to be that shape any more, do something else (i.e. what Porsche have done with the Taycan, which just tapers all the way down to the number plate).

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

#57
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the subject of styling I still find these electric cars slightly off with the plastic where the grill normally be. It just seems wrong - especially with a company like Tesla which has no design heritage to be bound to, one expects better. The Taycan doesn't have this issue at the front, and I think it's a good looking thing.

I keep hoping that someone builds an electric car that looks like an early 911.

Most of the porsche range is going electric, including the Boxster.

If that doesn't scratch the itch I'm sure people will be making Singer-esque EVs with a 911 shell.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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post #54

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I agree with your points in general, the main reason I don't want a Tesla is that they all look the same to me, across models, years, features, they just have a similar look and it's boring. I wish they also offered a wide range of body modifications to add some flavor and individuality to the car.

They really do look like the mid-range car in a video game. Not bad , but just a bit too American and safe for my eyes. I'm curious what a Cybertruck will actually end up looking like since they seem to have actually gone for risky with it.

It's worth watching Sandy Munro's youtube channel to see what the justification for the Cybertruck body shape is. I changed my mind on them after watching it.

One question I never see answered is how Teslas will deal with collision repair expense once the bugs are shaken out of the insurance and bodyshop system.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

#59
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I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?

For an EV, maybe consider leasing.

For a conventional car you'd sell after 5 years or drive it for ten to reduce TCO, so you'd want to compare that with the monthly cost for (say) a 36 mo lease.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Then I guess you’re never buying any European car ever again because it has since come to light that they were all at it. A bit misplaced given the electric push anyhow surely?

Not just European; practically everyone who made diesel cars was at it.

I naturally assume that a lot of products with computers that are subject to government testing cheat in some way.

Betcha that some Energy Star appliances can detect when they are being run through a test cycle.

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