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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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I literally bought many hundreds of used CDs and had them shipped to https://murfie.com/ to rip for me and give me FLACs automatically, because that was the only way to get lossless drm-free music I wanted legally. I even wrote a python library to automate the process since I had so much music I wanted to obtain legally that I needed bulk access. I spent thousands of dollars and many hours trying to play by the rules…

> Am I a criminal now anyway after all that work? You legally purchased the music and legally made backup copies of it. You are not a criminal. > I can't prove I own my own music if challenged I don't think that matters. Someone would need to prove you stole it, which they can't do since you didn't.

> I don't think that matters. Someone would need to prove you stole it, which they can't do since you didn't.

Welcome to the civil law world, where they don't need to prove that at all, they just need to ask "on the balance of probabilities, is it more likely than not that a violation happened here?". Unfortunately, for many, juries, and even judges, the mere assertion thereof by a corporation, even if backed by scant or contradictory evidence, is enough for them to say, "that's reasonable".

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

This has happened to me with iTunes, and Apple's contention in the suit has been expressed to me by Apple support. A few months ago, I was browsing my iTunes cloud library and noticed that an album I had purchased years prior was missing a few songs. I contacted support, and the support agent explained to me that the rights holder had removed the songs from the store, and thus they were now removed from my library. (…

I wonder if Match would have caused it to silently re-upload your missing files then supply them back.

It's the (supposed, it's very confusing) difference between Match as a standalone service and the Apple Music streaming service when it comes to your own library--Match will serve back your own music files to you if not already on the service. OTOH, I have no idea what it does if it thinks it matched on the service when first scanned, but the track isn't there anymore.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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> "Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely," Weasel-worded legal arguments like this is why I don't use Apple Music, Spotify, Youtube Premium or anything where the final product is not a DRM-free file sitting on my hard drive. As much as Blockbuster is considered a dinosaur, you could buy and sell used games and movies there.…

But the products you're listing are streaming services. You never buy anything, you subscribe per month.

So not really sure why you're conflating this story with those? Or why you think files for a subscription service shouldn't be DRM'ed? I mean, if you keep the files after your subscription ends, that's obviously not a subscription anymore.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

It shouldn't only come down to "on the iTunes platform". What about the user's ability to maintain access? I have a similar situation with Google. I've had a Google Apps for buisness account for a few years so I can can use email on my personal domain. I made the mistake of 'purchasing' some media on that account. I've since switched my mail over to fastmail but can't quite bring myself to close the Google account be…

Aside from the hassle involved, any reason you couldn't try to get a class-action lawsuit started?

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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I'm just back to pirating shamelessly. Emby, Radarr, nzbget.

I think the future is Popcorn Time + a patron-like model

Not sure tequila will really help this situation...

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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I can be streaming just about anything purchased/rented a la carte from Amazon in a couple of minutes. It costs more but I don't see how that's less convenient than TPB.

The primary challenge with today's streaming services is determining which platform the content is on, and what tier you need to have to consume the content. In that way, Amazon Video is one of the most convenient platforms as it has more content than many other platforms, though you may need to pay a rental fee. When it comes to convenience, for me unified access to the most content trumps most other issues.

I have to add that I do have one other streaming service I did not list and that is Formula 1 TV.

And I think this is an incredible example of value that can be added to television. During an event you can watch live video footage from the main feed, any of the 20 cars on the track, or the pit straights. You can listen to team radios, commentary, or just engine audio.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Spotify, sometimes Youtube TV, OTA via TIVO. Trust me, TPB is much more convenient.

I can be streaming just about anything purchased/rented a la carte from Amazon in a couple of minutes. It costs more but I don't see how that's less convenient than TPB.

Assuming it's on Amazon...

What do you do when the show you want to watch is not on there? What do you do when it's a Hulu Exclusive? Or a Netflix show?

You know what I do? Search for 'movie/show name' + 'torrent' and I pull down the rip at 10MB/sec, and have it in a few minutes. Faster than signing up for another service, installing the app on all of my devices, connecting that app up to my account, adding my credit card, then paying for it. Then having to discontinue that subscription later when I decide there's nothing else on that service I want to watch. Then you realize, you paid for 1 month of service, just to watch one show... ridiculous.

Streaming is only convenient when you are already subscribed to the service. Otherwise piracy is much easier. Plus I don't get my fucking videos downsampled to 720p because I choose to watch in a web browser on a Linux box.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #63

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While I personally agree, ownership should be explicit - their defence isn't as silly as it looks. "reasonable belief" is an actual mechanism in english law (the system, not the nation), and the learned behaviours of "buy it on Kindle", "buy it on Steam", etc, do support it. It's essentially the "times have changed" argument; that the common nomenclature for "purchase a non-exclusive license with no fixed term" is "b…

When you rent something, you're supposed to be told very clearly up front when your last day when the thing is.

Isn't that the distinction though? A rental has a clear end date, enforced by Apple. A purchase does not, it can merely disappear from Apple's catalogue at some point, due to licensing issues. Apple has no idea how long that thing will be around, so they can't really quote a date your "purchase" ends.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Aren’t you allowed to download offline copies as backups of any movie you purchase anyways? You just don’t gain the right to distribute copies. I’d be shocked if anyone would get in trouble for torrenting a copy of something they purchased just for the purpose of having a backup, because even having a DVD copy doesn’t mean you own anything other than the right to watch it. Likewise if you sold the DVD you’d have to d…

Regardless of the legal status of torrenting a movie you already own, to the companies monitoring swarms, someone downloading and sharing a movie that they own looks no different than someone that doesn't own the movie.

You'll still need to respond to their notice if they send it, and possibly defend yourself in court. Even if you succeed, it can be a big burden.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #260

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I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Spotify, sometimes Youtube TV, OTA via TIVO. Trust me, TPB is much more convenient.

I can be streaming just about anything purchased/rented a la carte from Amazon in a couple of minutes. It costs more but I don't see how that's less convenient than TPB.

I'm not really concerned about cost.

I like to be able to use my laptop to locate content and then watch it on a television. So my habits mostly include YouTube or TPB. With youtube I can queue a number of items into a playlist. For TPB, I just press the magnet and it appears on my television a short while later.

I mean I intend to continue paying for these services since I like the offerings. I just don't like using them. They're all ugly and annoying, and they each have their quirks I need to learn. Discovery sucks and searching is always slow and painful. I just don't care to deal with it.

Plus, every time someone mentions a show you have to have this extra little conversation about what streaming service it's available on. It's annoying and I really don't want to care.

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