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Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by donall »

chrisjsmith wrote: post #169
ugh wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those deaths in custody seem to be mostly suicides. The case of Oury Jalloh is truly horrific but it is only one case. I cannot see any trend or evidence for systematic executions in the data you presented. There may well be a few cases, I don’t know, but to suggest that this is common seems absolutely laughable and ridiculous, given the data you presented.

They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talked about because the people involved are very powerful (most of them are also Masons who serve others in their group rather than the public first).

I enjoy being critical of the government as much as the next man, but I think a comment like the one you just made really deserves a [citation needed]. I'm not saying I don't believe you (there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by UK security forces in the past, particularly abroad), just that I'd be interested to see your sources.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by mattdeboard »

Houston wrote: post #163
woodall wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Same could be said about passing on pictures of over weight people at Wal-Mart or ugly people with memes typed on them. Different strokes for different folks.

While I understand what you're saying, I think the professional setting in which that material is being passed around warrants a discussion on whether or not it should be passed around at all. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill, but I can't help the fact it irked me that a video clip that shows the death of 4 men - most likely passed around as something "cool" and something to be glorified - is being pass…

Lots of cops are former Marines, soldiers, etc. Im guessing you've never hung around with guys like this? I was a Marine for ten years; stuff like this gets shared and no one's giggling about it. You are definitely making a mountain out of a molehill. I say that based on personal experience.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by lhnz »

redthrowaway wrote: post #59
lallysingh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why they didn't just pass it over to WikiLeaks. They've been through that problem already, and have a process in place to delete that sort of stuff.

1) They clearly don't care about collateral damage, and 2) WL still isn't accepting submissions until DDB hands back their database.

DDB? I've not heard of this.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by Houston »

mattdeboard wrote: post #172
Houston wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I understand what you're saying, I think the professional setting in which that material is being passed around warrants a discussion on whether or not it should be passed around at all. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill, but I can't help the fact it irked me that a video clip that shows the death of 4 men - most likely passed around as something "cool" and something to be glorified - is being pass…

Lots of cops are former Marines, soldiers, etc. Im guessing you've never hung around with guys like this? I was a Marine for ten years; stuff like this gets shared and no one's giggling about it. You are definitely making a mountain out of a molehill. I say that based on personal experience.

What's the point in sharing it in this setting?

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by chrisjsmith »

donall wrote: post #171
chrisjsmith wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talked about because the people involved are very powerful (most of them are also Masons who serve others in their group rather than the public first).

I enjoy being critical of the government as much as the next man, but I think a comment like the one you just made really deserves a [citation needed]. I'm not saying I don't believe you (there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by UK security forces in the past, particularly abroad), just that I'd be interested to see your sources.

Most of the deaths are due to negligence on the part of the police. The concern is that this is intentional negligence which is never properly investigated. The IPCC rarely rule against the police however the legal system are less biased, if it gets that far.

30 seconds googling...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandp...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinso...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-def...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13297812

Hmm... I could go on.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by verroq »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #151

I will say this for these folks, they seem to have gone 'all in.' One of the interesting thing about politics is how hard it is to change things. To get a bill passed or an amendment added you need to get other politicians on your side, you need a compelling plan, and then you need lots of follow through. Controversy is to politics like energy is to chemical reactions. The more controversy you have around it increase…

Funnily enough, Australia is creating their elite counter-hacker team at http://www.dsd.gov.au/. They are accepting applications.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by StavrosK »

devijvers wrote: post #154
ChuckMcM wrote: post #151

I will say this for these folks, they seem to have gone 'all in.' One of the interesting thing about politics is how hard it is to change things. To get a bill passed or an amendment added you need to get other politicians on your side, you need a compelling plan, and then you need lots of follow through. Controversy is to politics like energy is to chemical reactions. The more controversy you have around it increase…

I agree with you on the energy balance thing, I don't agree Lulz is creating that energy. What we're seeing is the consequence of letting docs you want to keep a secret out. Lulz is just fishing and reporting what they caught. To the people who want to revoke more of our liberties for what is basically lousy security: I wish you good luck.

What does this matter? They'll both revoke our liberties and not improve security. All that matters is that Joe Sixpack will think "oh my god, hackers will get my money".

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by JonnieCache »

patrickaljord wrote: post #93
blhack wrote: post #44

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Bef…

> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news anyway. > If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Only if they're from the US. In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years and only for murders or specific crimes. For that they'd probably just get a few…

Just change your MAC address and download it at starbucks. Problem solved.

And if they get caught in western europe they may as well have been caught in the US because of the strong extradition treaties in place.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by Sheepol »

gitarr wrote: post #159
sigzero wrote: post #47

Showing yet again just how "stupid" they are...

Yes, just "script kiddies" with automated tools.

Which makes this all the more embarrassing...

1. No IT Security 2. No jobs for those who could fix it

Yer all embarrassing and stupid.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by lhnz »

StavrosK wrote: post #177
devijvers wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you on the energy balance thing, I don't agree Lulz is creating that energy. What we're seeing is the consequence of letting docs you want to keep a secret out. Lulz is just fishing and reporting what they caught. To the people who want to revoke more of our liberties for what is basically lousy security: I wish you good luck.

What does this matter? They'll both revoke our liberties and not improve security. All that matters is that Joe Sixpack will think "oh my god, hackers will get my money".

When this happens and lulzsec or others are still continually proving that nothing has worked because the original security problems still existed, will Joe Sixpack be blind to this?
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