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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by schmorptron »

hyperman1 wrote: post #13

This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

But it's the exact opposite in reality, no? Any reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain accessible to them indefinitely.

On Steam, even content who's publisher has been banned off of the platform entirely is still accessible to customers who bought it before, and can be redownloaded at any time.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by cycomanic »

andrewljohnson wrote: post #293
rakoo wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but that's not the same thing. You're arguing in the "physical/digital" debate and I believe evryone will agree that digital is better in most cases. Physically owning something is nice for the memorabilia and for those who still have DVD/CD players but that's not the biggest use case. The topic here is DRM vs non-DRM'd media. It's orthogonal to the topic of physicality: you can have DRM'd physical media (think G…

I think the point is it’s not a scam because these businesses are of value to you overall. That they decided they needed DRM to make sustainable business is unfortunate but doesn’t make it a scam. The words may be scammy in this case, but digital media is better than physical media and you get the good with the bad.

You have an interesting definition of scam. For me "selling" you something by misrepresenting what it is, is pretty much the definition of a scam to me. It does not matter if it had some convenience to me. E.g. If I was sold a new iPhone online (maybe when it was currently not available on the apple store) and I later found out it was used (and I e.g. can't get warranty) I would say I have been scammed, even though it was convenient for me to buy it from some vendor online and I didn't have to wait for it to be back in stock at apple.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by luxuryballs »

Aren’t you allowed to download offline copies as backups of any movie you purchase anyways? You just don’t gain the right to distribute copies. I’d be shocked if anyone would get in trouble for torrenting a copy of something they purchased just for the purpose of having a backup, because even having a DVD copy doesn’t mean you own anything other than the right to watch it. Likewise if you sold the DVD you’d have to destroy your digital backup.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by abawany »

lrvick wrote: post #87
alpaca128 wrote: post #76

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Are there similar platforms for buying ebooks? I like ebooks but I'm not comfortable with all the layers of DRM involved in it.

I looked and looked and looked for an option here, and almost pulled the trigger on book scanning gear. Eventually I gave up realizing it is an extraordinary effort to personally rip books just to have drm-free digital copies. Instead I built a floor-to-ceiling bookshelf and filled it. I read ink on slices of dead trees now, like a barbarian.

There are ebook scanning services that do a great job. I have used bookscan.us for hundreds of books for years and it works well.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by c3534l »

fighterpilot wrote: post #52
hyperman1 wrote: post #13

This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

> Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely Pretty sure that many people would be led to believe that.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people believe that now and as near as possible to everyone believed that when the concept was fairly new and novel.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by abawany »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #104
alpaca128 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there similar platforms for buying ebooks? I like ebooks but I'm not comfortable with all the layers of DRM involved in it.

Yeeeesssss.....buuuuut.... Only for certain books. Book DRM has been a nightmare. Tying a book to certain readers is an automatic showstopper for a lot of folks (like me). I recently bounced a tech book I purchased, because I had to download their crappy hybrid app to read the book. The same people that sold it to me, used to sell unlocked reflowable EPUBs (my preferred format), or watermarked PDFs (I have no problem…

One approach I've used in lieu of buying ebooks is to buy a used/new print copy, get it destructively scanned, and thus acquire a drm-free copy of the book. Often this can work out cheaper than buying the ebook.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by chungy »

zerocrates wrote: post #304
lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

You can still download purchases from the PS3 store; in fact you can still buy things from it (but only because of an outcry when Sony announced they were closing it). I'm pretty sure you can still download past purchases from the Wii store too. Of course, those kinds of "we're keeping the servers up after the store is closed" situations are necessarily limited so it's just a matter of time. As you say, once the calc…

> I'm pretty sure you can still download past purchases from the Wii store too.

Correct, at least for now. You haven't actually been able to buy anything since 2019.

In my opinion, this was reason enough to find a complete archive of all the Wii Shop files and just go through the library to find the gems. It might be technically illegal, but the only legal process of obtaining any of these games is finding a Wii that happened to have a particular game already installed on it.

Instead of wasting money and acquiring dozens of otherwise-identical consoles, I opt for the preservation (formerly piracy) route.

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Post by ac29 »

lrvick wrote: post #149
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #139

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Do you have chapter and verse for this? It doesn't sound right to me but I don't know for sure.

https://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/librarian_statement_01.h... There is an explicit exemption for: "Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access." AKA old console roms. https://archive.org has piles now unchallenged for years as a result.

It doesn't say anywhere that you can also distribute copies of the copyrighted work, though.

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Post by Qwertious »

lrvick wrote: post #136
throws23577 wrote: post #121

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That's one of my dreams, floor to ceiling bookshelves filled with books. Can't you try 'Calibre' [1] instead of paid book scanning gear? It's GPL. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibre_(software)

That means buying the DRM copies in the first place, further contributing to that system. Also it is a PITA. Pretty much all e-paper readers are proprietary and track all reading too which is a second order problem.

IMO the long-term solution is attaching an author-payment system widget to pirate sites. It's not illegal to pay authors, so a payment system can't be DMCA'd, and pirate websites pop back up like weeds and can't realistically be stamped out. Magnet links are way too portable for that and anyone can spin up a new VPS with 100MB or so of data (the size of TPB's db IIRC) to keep on going.

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Post by cblconfederate »

Kye wrote: post #276
cblconfederate wrote: post #174

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It's a bank in the EU

Do they have the same reputation in the EU?

well i havent had problems with them even if i held large amounts there, but my business with them was rather straightforward. Their KYC was reasonable
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