What a waste of talent... these kids know how to program, but instead of working on useful projects they’re wasting everyone’s time. It’s really troubling that any professor would have proposed or OK’d this.
“They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
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Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#992This is a community that thinks it’s gross negligence if something with a real name on it fails to be airgapped. Social shame and reputation damage may be useful defense mechanisms in general, but in a hacker culture where the right to make up arbitrarily many secret identities is a moral imperative, people who burn their identities can just get new ones. Banning or shaming is not going to work against someone with a…
It seems to be reacting and solving the wrong problem, and won't deter actual malicious attempts.
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#993Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well part of the experiment is to see how deliberate malicious commits are handled. Banning is the result. They got what they wanted. Play stupid game. Win stupid pri[z]e.
Isn't trying to break security of the "entire internet" some kind of crime (despite whatever the excuse is)? People got swatted for less.
Interestingly enough, this is more a case of being a dick. That is not illegal. If an AG does not levy a charge, no crime has been committed.
This does not at all mean the behavior in question should be condoned. This fails the sniff test worse than thioacetone.
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#994The professor gets exactly what they want here, no? "We experimented on the linux kernel team to see what would happen. Our non-double-blind test of 1 FOSS maintenance group has produced the following result: We get banned and our entire university gets dragged through the muck 100% of the time". That'll be a fun paper to write, no doubt. Additional context: * One of the committers of these faulty patches, Aditya Pak…
Isn't this reaction a bit like the emperor banishing anyone who tells him that his new clothes are fake? Are the maintainers upset that someone showed how easy it is to subvert kernel security?
Yeah,maybe it's fragile security.Fortunately，the problem has been found, and 'attackers' aren't real enemy.
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#995Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for the support. I also now have submitted a patch series that reverts the majority of all of their contributions so that we can go and properly review them at a later point in time: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210421130105.1226686-1-gregkh...
> should be aware that future submissions from anyone with a umn.edu address should be by default-rejected Are you not concerned these malicious "researches" will simply start using throwaway gmail addresses?
That’s not likely to work after a high profile incident like this, in the short term or the long term. Publication is, by design, a de-anonymizing process.
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#996Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet another reason to absolutely despise the culture within academia. The US Federal government is subsidizing a collection of pathologically toxic institutions, and this is one of many results, along with HR departments increasingly mimicking the campus tribalism.
That's quite a leap of logic you have going on there. How is the US Federal government at fault for this?
Who do you think subsidizes and guarantees student loan debt that allowed academic institutions to raise their prices at 4 times the rate of inflation?
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#997The professor gets exactly what they want here, no? "We experimented on the linux kernel team to see what would happen. Our non-double-blind test of 1 FOSS maintenance group has produced the following result: We get banned and our entire university gets dragged through the muck 100% of the time". That'll be a fun paper to write, no doubt. Additional context: * One of the committers of these faulty patches, Aditya Pak…
It wasn’t a real experiment, it was a legitimate attempt to insert bugs into the code base and this professor was going to go on speaking tours to self promote and talk about how easy it was to crack Linux. If it looks like grift it’s probably grift. This was never about science.
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#998Straight up grift. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#999Is there a more readable version of this available somewhere? I really struggle to follow the unformatted mailing list format.
Scroll down to the "thread overview". There you can see the thread summarized in a tree layout, which makes more sense since asynchronous discussion isn't typically linear.
The current message in the tree is highlighted with the indicator "[this message]"; you can see replies branch out below it and parent messages above it.
Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”
#1000So they A/B tested the kernel maintainers and got banned. What about the kernel security? Is the patch process getting improved?