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Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by EwanToo »

patrickaljord wrote: post #93
blhack wrote: post #44

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Bef…

> (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent) This is ridiculous, thousands of people are downloading that right now and the details will be on the news anyway. > If [when] they get caught, they're going to prison for the rest of their lives or worse. Only if they're from the US. In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years and only for murders or specific crimes. For that they'd probably just get a few…

While I agree that there won't be 1000s of people prosecuted, you might not be aware of how strong the extradition agreements between the USA and most of Europe are.

If the hackers are in Europe and are caught, they'll end up in the US justice system, for example see Gary McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

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Post by phlux »

blhack wrote: post #44

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Bef…

PSY-OP MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU HACK IT?!

This is NOT script kiddies going at it, this is bio-stux....

See the following:

Watch these in this order: http://vimeo.com/25118844 - brief overview great animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01Hmjv1pQ - ted talk on stux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwMW6agpTI&feature=youtu.... detailed analysis of stuxnet the last one is long and Bruce appears to be an arrogant prick, but it is clear - cyber war has been here for a while.

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As I have mentioned, cyber war is here - and the legislation is lacking in its awareness - but becuase we have incompetant douches in charge of tech legislation, we will have physical war used as a metaphor to cyber warfare and thus have draconian influences from physical imprisonment being applied to digital situations.

Utterly broken.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by Houston »

woodall wrote: post #149
Houston wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just seems kind of tasteless, I guess.

I agree. Same could be said about passing on pictures of over weight people at Wal-Mart or ugly people with memes typed on them. Different strokes for different folks.

While I understand what you're saying, I think the professional setting in which that material is being passed around warrants a discussion on whether or not it should be passed around at all.

I might be making a mountain out of a molehill, but I can't help the fact it irked me that a video clip that shows the death of 4 men - most likely passed around as something "cool" and something to be glorified - is being passed around by law enforcement.

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Post by Confusion »

TomOfTTB wrote: post #11
PaintBucket wrote: post #4

Before anyone says, "Why harass these people? They're just trying to make a living." Think about it for a little while.

Have you bothered to "think about" this? Police officers have a sworn duty to uphold the law. They don't write it. If you have a problem with the law your issue is with the Legislators not the cops. (This is the very definition of "killing the messenger")

The reports of cops breaking the law for their own purposes, and getting away with it, vastly outnumber the reports of cops breaking the law for humane purposes or moral reasons. If reality is they are perfectly happy doing the first, arguing against the second as something they 'should not do' is ludicrous. As long as this is the way the balance tips, any cop that lets an illegal immigrant walk has my blessing.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by mikle »

woodall wrote: post #141
astrodust wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharepoint is going to be the end of us all. It's always just jammed full of juicy stuff like this.

Not just SharePoint. Crawling a machine for special files is pretty simple. Here is a little script I used for a while. Could be modified to look for file headers(more specific) but who is going to change a .doc to a .pdf for security reasons? #!/usr/bin/python import os,shutil exts = [".txt",".doc",".docx",".xls",".xlsx",".ppt",".pptx"] startpath = os.environ['HOMEDRIVE'] def find(none, directory, filenames): for fi…

So how many law enforcement agencies have the Python interpreter installed on their machine?

Of course you can always py2exe this, write it in C/C++ (/C#). Hacking is easy, it just takes time and dedication.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by haakon »

armored wrote: post #62

Based on the type of documents released and the fact that they only released a few email accounts & passwords you can tell that this was not a very sophisticated attack. Probably a brute force attack against the mail server, or passwords gleaned from individual officers rooted home computers.

That only makes it worse; most organization would succumb to a sophisticated attack, but a police dept. should be resistant against simple attacks at least.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by furyg3 »

sunchild wrote: post #64
redthrowaway wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until somebody shows me the names and covers of undercover agents, this means "acknowledging the fact that there are undercover agents".

I never said the informants would be killed. If a gang reads that they've got an informant in their midst, they'll find someone and punish them – right or wrong. I'm not saying LulzSec is wrong to publish it; I'm just pointing out that it won't be lulz for those particular people who catch the short end of that particular stick.

So we've got a situation where a) someone has joined a gang where the morals permit killing people, b) their leadership (rightly or wrongly) becomes paranoid for whatever reason, and c) they accidentally kill a one or more of their own gang members thinking they are informants.

So... that's clearly murder and those who committed it should be brought before the legal system... but it's not exactly the most tragic thing I can conceive of.

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Post by nextparadigms »

GHFigs wrote: post #131
mcphilip wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...

That advice is entirely to do with the fact that the information was classified and the federal government doesn't want to hire people whose treatment of classified information is to post links to it on Facebook . It is a reasonable suggestion to people seeking employment in government.

That information was already public. They didn't put stuff on Facebook from their own work documents. It was a pretty ridiculous thing to ask for.

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Post by chrisjsmith »

ugh wrote: post #158
kragen wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In most of western Europe, maximum is 20 to 30 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Oury_Jalloh "In 2007, two officers were charged with causing bodily harm with fatal consequences and with involuntary manslaughter, respectively, but were acquitted in December 2008 for want of evidence." In Western Europe, the cops can still get away with killing you if they don't believe that the penal system will properly…

Those deaths in custody seem to be mostly suicides. The case of Oury Jalloh is truly horrific but it is only one case. I cannot see any trend or evidence for systematic executions in the data you presented. There may well be a few cases, I don’t know, but to suggest that this is common seems absolutely laughable and ridiculous, given the data you presented.

They are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones. There is a huge amount of corruption here in the UK but it's not often talked about because the people involved are very powerful (most of them are also Masons who serve others in their group rather than the public first).

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Post by mbesto »

scythe wrote: post #61

So... do you think it's possible LulzSec is based in China or Russia? That's the only way I can imagine them doing this that doesn't involve being clinically insane.

I believe their is a silent "angst" that brews between Europe and America.

I wouldn't doubt that there is a certain amount of "Oh hi America you think you run the world - well you're no different than us, here's why.."

If it gives my opinion any justification, I am American and I do live in Europe.

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