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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by GeekyBear »

lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

> We got scammed.

Personally, I had movies I had purchased years ago automatically upgraded to 4K HDR versions.

That's certainly one advantage over physical disks.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by teh_klev »

hyperman1 wrote: post #25
senko wrote: post #6

I've seen the phrase "Own it in {HD/BluRay/4K}" so many times and always cringe. You're just owning a limited license ( extremely limited, in the case of digital goods) to watch. The average HN user can spot the difference and say "of course you don't own it, and in case of streaming, you only have access for as long as the service is around", but that's not what the average consumer sees. "Buy" and "own" have very s…

This 'of course you dont own it' is false. Compare with a book, which you can own. The law makes sure you stil can't distribute limitless copies, even if you own it. But you can inherit a book, lend it out, be sure it stays around after the vendor would rather take it back, even swatting flies as a purposes it wasn't ment for. Licensing, and specifically the EULA, was popularized by Microsoft, to make sure you didn't…

> Licensing, and specifically the EULA, was popularized by Microsoft

Without sounding like an old carmudgeon, but "Licensing" and "EULA"'s were around long before MS arrived on the block and were already "popularized" within the IT business. MS, Apple etc just picked up where the old minicomputer and mainframe hardware and software vendors left off.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by throws23577 »

alpaca128 wrote: post #76
wildpeaks wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why supporting DRM-free stores is important (e.g. Bandcamp for music and GOG for games).

Are there similar platforms for buying ebooks? I like ebooks but I'm not comfortable with all the layers of DRM involved in it.

This HN thread has some DRM-free

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26892249

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by lrvick »

teachingassist wrote: post #92
lrvick wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...for the time being you may continue to re-download content you have purchased or transfer that content from a Wii system to a Wii U system. Be aware that these features will eventually end at a future date." https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/... It happened recently so there is a grace period to download final copies of a game, but if your console dies and you want to transfer games to a…

> if your console dies and you want to transfer games to another unit you get off eBay in a few years, you are SOL. Again, this is not functionally different than your cartridge dying. If your NES cartridge dies, you can replace it with a second-hand copy, or you're SOL. The same. You're saying that there's a consumer benefit to a console-cartridge system being modular (such that either module can be replaced when de…

Large game collections are of much more value than a console, and consoles are more complex and have a much higher failure rate. Particularly if it is a console vs a simple media like a Wii game optical disc that is well taken care of.

Maybe I had 100 $40 games on my $100 console. Console breaks, I lose all games.

With physical media: One game breaks, I lose one game. One console breaks, I lose one console. Way less risk.

Also I can't sell or transfer the digital copies to friends or family.

Lock-in digitals are not at all equivalent rights of physical copies.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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criley2 wrote: post #101
ectopod wrote: post #96

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How does the energy use compare of stamping out a DVD and of streaming a movie to your TV? Especially if it's a film you (or your children) watch repeatedly. The answer is not obvious. According to [1], mailing a DVD and streaming a film use about the same amount of energy. This doesn't include the energy cost of manufacturing the DVD, but stamping out plastic disks is cheap, so it can't be too high. On the other han…

How much landfill use does my stream use when it's been watched 100 times and becomes garbage? How much of the Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch will my Netflix stream take up? Plastic is killing the planet.

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by pocketarc »

fighterpilot wrote: post #52
hyperman1 wrote: post #13

This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

> Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely Pretty sure that many people would be led to believe that.

Heck, I believed it. That, for me, was the main pull of buying on iTunes vs. streaming, because (not being in the US) I've been burned one too many times by streaming services pulling content because their license ran out.

If iTunes might pull content I purchased at any time, that does make me rethink the whole thing.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by fsflover »

ectopod wrote: post #96
beckman466 wrote: post #75

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> Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. I am so excited for my great-great-great-great ... grandchildren to find a layer of plastic DVDs in the earth’s crust 25 generations from now /s. Seriously, Blu ray discs and DVDs are such a waste of resources.

How does the energy use compare of stamping out a DVD and of streaming a movie to your TV? Especially if it's a film you (or your children) watch repeatedly. The answer is not obvious. According to [1], mailing a DVD and streaming a film use about the same amount of energy. This doesn't include the energy cost of manufacturing the DVD, but stamping out plastic disks is cheap, so it can't be too high. On the other han…

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-hidde...

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by est31 »

teh_klev wrote: post #105
est31 wrote: post #86

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There is no requirement to forefit your rights once you transition away from physical media. E.g. you could trade DVD equivalent rights on a blockchain. The blockchain including the proof that you legitimately own this copy would stick around for as long as people want it to, it wouldn't depend on big tech companies like MS, Sony, etc. I'm not even a blockchain fanatic but this is one of the few good uses of the tech…

What happens then if the blockchain you rely on as proof of ownership goes away?

Blockchains, at least traditionally, work in a way that each full node has a full copy of the entire chain. Anyone can operate a full node. So it goes away when the last person who has kept a copy around somewhere deletes it. That happens way later than relying on a central party and its digital content store that it might close in 5 years (or they might just cancel your account for whatever reason they thought of).
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