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Tesla's Autopilot 'tricked' to operate without driver

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Let me guess: was it a mannequin with its hands taped to the wheel?

Yeah. This is a ridiculous story by the BBC - it says the car can easily be tricked and then doesn't explain how. Surely that is the primary set of facts that are needed to evaluate the story?

BBC just copied the consumerreports story. It has all the detail on how they did it. It's linked from the BBC article.

https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engine...

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If my Honda can tell when I'm sitting in a seat but don't have my seat belt on then it seems like this is an easily solvable problem.

Tesla's already do this, but it's easy enough to fool - just put a bag on the seat and put the seatbelt round it.

Tesla's also have an advanced on-board computer with an AI system that can drive a car. You're telling me Tesla can figure out how to make a car drive itself by detecting everything on the outside of the car but can't figure out how to tell if a person is sitting in the drivers seat of the car? If it's that easy to fool what does that say about the self driving AI?

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Could the real issue here be that this technology is "too alluring". In the same way some medicines are regulated to stop people self medicating, perhaps cars need to be made less tempting to be stupid with... For example, perhaps a $1000 deposit that you lose if you are ever found to not be paying attention at the wheel?

There are more accidents happening with smartphones behind the wheel.

Drunk driving and not wearing a seatbelt became socially unacceptable after decades of horrific accidents (I recall a story of a drunk driver in Belgium plowing through an entire class of school children).

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If it's in beta then wouldn't always-on cameras be beneficial; the data from facial expressions before a potential crash might overcome the lack of users due to opt-out? "By comparison, BMW, Ford, GM, Subaru, and others use camera-based systems that can track the movements of a driver’s eyes and/or head position to ensure that they’re looking at the road."

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Yeah. This is a ridiculous story by the BBC - it says the car can easily be tricked and then doesn't explain how. Surely that is the primary set of facts that are needed to evaluate the story?

BBC just copied the consumerreports story. It has all the detail on how they did it. It's linked from the BBC article. https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engine...

Fisher next placed a small, weighted chain on the steering wheel, to simulate the weight of a driver’s hand, and slid over into the front passenger seat without opening any of the vehicle’s doors, because that would disengage Autopilot

I mean, I guess this counts as "tricking" the car, but there's definitely a line somewhere at which point this becomes a Tesla-hating non-story. You could also put a brick on the accelerator in a normal car and crash yourself that way, but so what? Any safety system can be worked around by a sufficiently determined person.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBC just copied the consumerreports story. It has all the detail on how they did it. It's linked from the BBC article. https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engine...

Fisher next placed a small, weighted chain on the steering wheel, to simulate the weight of a driver’s hand, and slid over into the front passenger seat without opening any of the vehicle’s doors, because that would disengage Autopilot I mean, I guess this counts as "tricking" the car, but there's definitely a line somewhere at which point this becomes a Tesla-hating non-story. You could also put a brick on the accel…

Any article highlighting a flaw in a system can be a "hating non-story" if you're enough of a fanboy.

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Guys, isn't this obvious? I can also "trick" a knife into stabbing me instead of cutting this carrot. This is like the basic thing of giving your users power over the product they purchased. What next? All cars can be tricked into driving into other cars with merely some steering input? "Researchers concluded that with a mild flick of the wrist, any driver could flatten 40 children in a preschool yard. Activists have…

If my Honda can tell when I'm sitting in a seat but don't have my seat belt on then it seems like this is an easily solvable problem.

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A standard car will also drive with nobody at the wheel. Just put it in drive and hop out... If you want more danger, put a brick on the accelerator.

and if you kill someone like that you would go to jail. Who’s going to jail for Tesla’s tragedies?

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This software is nowhere close to being production ready. The fact that the government allowed Tesla to ship this feature is my main issue. What were they doing? We don’t even have proper regulations in place. Perhaps Tesla can work with NHTSA instead of criticizing them for blocking their “progress?”

All people care about is defending Tesla because they happen to own shares in the company.

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