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Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by 1337shadow »

Popegaf wrote: post #345
novok wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

I disagree, ultimately, we the consumers are at fault. We buy the cheapest products (or the flashiest: see Apple) and these are the consequences. Companies have to save costs to compete because we won't agree to pay more. We won't vote for politicians that make everybody's life better: we will vote for politicians who promises that "the other guys" are going to suffer and that "you or your group" is going to have an…

You are Nongqawuse :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by tauntz »

fnord77 wrote: post #187
mrb wrote: post #106

His ship has been sitting still for so long that you can see it on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%B3%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%86%D... Edit: a few more story details here: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/19/ever-giv... When he rows to shore to get supplies he can only stay for two hours at most as the area is a restricted military zone. Other crew members were repatriated in September 2019,…

appears to be a capsized boat in the same area https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9322048,32.5328029,607m/data...

3 (?!) more seemingly sunken ones nearby: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9236252,32.5269919,427m/data...

Or is this just some weird imaging artifact?

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by tauntz »

tauntz wrote: post #352
fnord77 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

appears to be a capsized boat in the same area https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9322048,32.5328029,607m/data...

3 (?!) more seemingly sunken ones nearby: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9236252,32.5269919,427m/data... Or is this just some weird imaging artifact?

Hard to tell if all of these are actual sunken ships or imaging artifacts :(

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8726136,32.521419,622m/data=...

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8785189,32.5055481,472m/data...

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8477291,32.5178057,452m/data...

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by Crashbat »

novok wrote: post #179
jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

The article states there are more than 250 of these cases all throughout the world, it's nothing to do with 'bureaucracy' or Egypt.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by furyg3 »

gentleman11 wrote: post #227
jandrese wrote: post #64

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It's not abandoned. The government assigned this guy as the caretaker of the property.

That’s slavery

They may have been paying him.

(it would still be slavery, however, you have a right to quit your job).

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by TheButlerian »

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

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Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by raducu »

novok wrote: post #179
jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

I wonder if sailors can get two passports for this reason (I know in my country you can get two if you plan on visiting both Israel and some other country that's hostile towards Israel).

Not that it would help much, because you'd have to phisically escape anyway.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by runarberg »

open0 wrote: post #306
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #209

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Err here in the United States you have people pissing in bottles and bags because they can't take a break without missing targets. The West is not immune to predatory hiring and employment practices.

Ever been enslaved on a Thai fishing boat? I know a few people who have, including a neighbor that was missing for 3 years. The US has its own problems, but places like Dubai, Southeast Asia, etc. have a much more severe problem with mistreatment and abuse of workers. Last year a building collapsed here during construction and killed about 60 people. Stuff like that happens all the time.

Normally I don’t engage in these kind of false comparisons and I do know that south east asia has a problem with off shore industrial slavery unprecedented in the USA. Sometimes things are uniquely bad in other parts of the world and there is no domestic comparison. That is certainly the case with the enslaved fishing vessels (although a case can be made about EU/EFTA operated fishing vessels out of Western Sahara and Mauritania).

But now I’m gonna make an exception and point to the Hard Rock building collapse in New Orleans in 2019 which killed 3 workers and injured dozens more[1]. Things like that happen all the time in the US as well.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1031_Canal#Partial_collapse_du...

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by willcipriano »

zaphirplane wrote: post #198
gowld wrote: post #173

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The Egyptian law is ridiculous. The government should hire coast guard staff to supervise the boat.

I assume the purpose of holding someone physically accountable is to make it harder to use countries as ship parking lots

"Where is what ship? Oh, after 180 days we let the national guard boys play target practice with the ships that go unclaimed."

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by willcipriano »

Aerroon wrote: post #248
harry8 wrote: post #233

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>Why? Then there would be someone else stuck in that situation. The CEO was the right person to to replace him immediately until they could make it a sufficiently attractive proposition that someone else would want to do it. You know by the usual means. Pay, supply drops, fuel for power etc. The shipping company's CEO is 100% responsible for not dealing with the situation properly because they absolutely did not do t…

> The shipping company's CEO is 100% responsible for not dealing with the situation properly because they absolutely did not do that in any way, shape or form. And if the company went bankrupt or the CEO suddenly died/disappeared? Then what? There could be any number of reasons why a company might be unable to do what they need to do. The guy is still stuck there then, because it all rests on the shipping company rat…

>And if the company went bankrupt or the CEO suddenly died/disappeared?

If the company did well instead of go bankrupt who is cashing the biggest check? That is who is responsible. Work your way down that list until you find someone, everyone you can't find is a fugitive and has their assets seized.

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