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Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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So said the blacksmith’s son watching the invention of the steel press. “High tech industrial players are in the process of taking over western forgery.”

Ya and we don't call a factory a Blacksmith now do we? "Modern blacksmiths sure are big!"

Blacksmith was a job. Forge was the location. And industrial forges are very, very large.

Blacksmith:Farmer::Forge:Farm

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need a new word for these high tech massive farming operations. I come from the Canadian farming sector. Most of the farmers here are individuals, or medium sized family operations. Even the big farms aren't "high tech". There just a lot of guys and a bunch of leased machines. We have essentially 0 "high tech" farms. I wouldn't say "modern farms are very high tech operations", I'd say "high tech industrial players…

So said the blacksmith’s son watching the invention of the steel press. “High tech industrial players are in the process of taking over western forgery.”

Should I remember you that the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity do you really want to have the farm equivalent of Rockefellers and Ford's ?

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need a new word for these high tech massive farming operations. I come from the Canadian farming sector. Most of the farmers here are individuals, or medium sized family operations. Even the big farms aren't "high tech". There just a lot of guys and a bunch of leased machines. We have essentially 0 "high tech" farms. I wouldn't say "modern farms are very high tech operations", I'd say "high tech industrial players…

So said the blacksmith’s son watching the invention of the steel press. “High tech industrial players are in the process of taking over western forgery.”

The industrial revolution and its consequences...

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ya and we don't call a factory a Blacksmith now do we? "Modern blacksmiths sure are big!"

Blacksmith was a job. Forge was the location. And industrial forges are very, very large. Blacksmith:Farmer::Forge:Farm

Foundries were a thing, but even those are giving way to factories, right?

I mean, someone will always make stock, but fewer companies melt metal these days, or at the very least relative to those that carve it up or weld it together (which may or may not involve a little melting, given spin welding and other techniques).

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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For those in the big tech scene...it's not so weird to have technology in farm equipment. In fact, I just listened to a podcast about a software developer who had spent time working for the welding division of caterpillar where they worked on some R&D problems over the last 40 years that are still not solved.

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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Having worked on a John Deere integration for an agtech company I can't say I'm surprised. The MyJohnDeere API had a lot of idiosyncrasies that smelled like inexperienced or mismanaged development, especially around authentication/authorization. At the time I was working on it they had some extremely arcane authentication process that required round-trip emails, various link clicking and code entering, and all kinds…

We need a new word for these high tech massive farming operations. I come from the Canadian farming sector. Most of the farmers here are individuals, or medium sized family operations. Even the big farms aren't "high tech". There just a lot of guys and a bunch of leased machines. We have essentially 0 "high tech" farms. I wouldn't say "modern farms are very high tech operations", I'd say "high tech industrial players…

I'm curious to know what your standards for high tech are. I know that there are many farms in southern alberta who regularly get the latest farming equipment which includes john deere's that drive themselves.

Hell, Lethbridge is home to at least one successful agtech biz, if not more. They're flying drones to analyze weed cover and optimize spraying based on positional data.

It can be very high tech. I don't know what you're saying that it doesn't exist. It's happening in canada literally right now.

That said a lot of these are for medium to large operations. Despite high tech, farmers who farm smaller plots generally have better yield. The automation has basically just let business expand into larger operations they might not otherwise have manpower or expertise to cover.

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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The problem with a lot of these old school companies is that any development work would always be treated as 2nd tier. Very very few,if any, CEOs will go to their boards and admit that they've been behind with their tech for years and it'd take a lot of stones to move to change the way things are done. We all know them: crappy pay, work conditions similar to the comedy shows about office work,etc.

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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post #2

Having worked on a John Deere integration for an agtech company I can't say I'm surprised. The MyJohnDeere API had a lot of idiosyncrasies that smelled like inexperienced or mismanaged development, especially around authentication/authorization. At the time I was working on it they had some extremely arcane authentication process that required round-trip emails, various link clicking and code entering, and all kinds…

We need a new word for these high tech massive farming operations. I come from the Canadian farming sector. Most of the farmers here are individuals, or medium sized family operations. Even the big farms aren't "high tech". There just a lot of guys and a bunch of leased machines. We have essentially 0 "high tech" farms. I wouldn't say "modern farms are very high tech operations", I'd say "high tech industrial players…

hmm... having grown up on a farm in Germany and even though my father was only employed as the manager, it still felt more like "our" farm. It was definately a big farm compared to the german average, but then that average also includes a lot of part-time/side-business farms, where.

Despite the size, the general methods between a smaller and a larger farm are not that different imho. But the amount of tech in a modern tractor was and still is amazing, and at the time the average car was definately not up to par. "automatic" GPS assisted driving, "laser" assisted driving (on harvesters). Beyond that, most of the "management" data was already digital 15 years ago, partly due to compliance requirements. And satellite imagery, soil samples, etc... were at least partly integrated.

And I would still call this a farm! Times change, and clinging to the old times in some nostalgia doesn't help. (I don't want to imply that you do!)

And on a slightly different perspective: I don't think bigger farms necessarily produce worse food, generate more externalities, etc... The processes are much more optimized, and at least I think the potential for better food with less externalities is with bigger farms. Also it is a somewhat bogus comparison: Mostly nobody complains that their car / laptop / smartphone comes from a factory, but for farming there is this strange preference for something of 50-100years past.

Re: Bugs allowed hackers to dox John Deere tractor owners

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The problem with a lot of these old school companies is that any development work would always be treated as 2nd tier. Very very few,if any, CEOs will go to their boards and admit that they've been behind with their tech for years and it'd take a lot of stones to move to change the way things are done. We all know them: crappy pay, work conditions similar to the comedy shows about office work,etc.

Hmm... from personal experience I know that John Deere has multiple development centers around the world that definately do development on the edge of what is possible, and pushing that frontier...

Disclaimer: Not in any associated/involved with John Deere.

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