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Why Lichess will always be free

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Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#71

Sure this is a very nice cause, but if you don't have proper revenue, you can't pay UX designers to make something more people could use. Explains why Lichess is straight up ugly and the interface is just messy.

There are also open source browser extensions for restyling lichess: https://prettierlichess.github.io/

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#72
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy hell that's an expensive project. Do donations cover all this, or are the operators independently wealthy and generous?

That's a cheap project. I have seen a single developer's salary to be more than that. Considering that around a billion games were played last year in lichess.

What I find interesting is the part at the bottom that shows how much a donation helps: a $5 donation is enough to cover the company's budget for 6 minutes. This sounds really good for a few reasons: 1) since I play Lichess for several hours a month, I feel that I'm really getting my money's worth; 2) Lichess only needs a few thousand people to contribute $5/mo to stay net positive and I feel like it's easier to convince a few thousand people in a supportive community to part ways with $5 than it is for other companies to get a million people to donate $1; 3) I remember Reddit used to show on your profile how many server minutes your Gold purchase was worth and it would display something like 200 minutes for every $5 purchase, but this is only a single server out of hundreds and doesn't account for any other expenses, so Lichess is unsurprisingly very cheap to operate in comparison.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#73
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Cost breakdown here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Si3PMUJGR9KrpE5lngSk... I hope OVH would donate some compute/machines to lichess. It would help lichess a lot financially. It would be good publicity for OVH and I think it would be a drop in the ocean on their balance sheet.

I feel like the developer/founder should have a higher salary. $58k a year for running a site with millions of games per day.. deserves more. Is it because they don't get enough donations? Or saving the extra money for growth/buffer? (edit: originally posted this as a top level comment but felt it fit better here) Edit2: just checked. I've spent 11 whole days playing chess there (and not sure if that only counts game…

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Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#74
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Cost breakdown here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Si3PMUJGR9KrpE5lngSk... I hope OVH would donate some compute/machines to lichess. It would help lichess a lot financially. It would be good publicity for OVH and I think it would be a drop in the ocean on their balance sheet.

Interesting that a non profit pays 55k in French taxes

Most likely taxes on wage for the main developer salary. The tax wedge in France is slightly under 50%, so that checks out.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#77
Case in point, Slate Star Codex advertising used to be quite good. I remember it had these riddles from Jane Street, who where looking for people to hire this way.

Also, because the ads were somewhat long running they weren't as intrusive and attention seeking like ever changing ad spots by Google or something. Saw them once, didn't bother me ever again.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#78

Sure this is a very nice cause, but if you don't have proper revenue, you can't pay UX designers to make something more people could use. Explains why Lichess is straight up ugly and the interface is just messy.

Lichess makes fantastic use of the screen space available, works excellently on all manners of devices, has a native darkmode, and puts the most relevant content front-and-center instead of designing around revenue generation first and functionality second.

Just because damn-near every other website on the internet is comprised entirely of gradients and parallax scrolling doesn't mean any that doesn't is "ugly".

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#79

Excellent article. Serious kudos to the Lichess team on building and operating such a complex piece of software purely on donations. I think the most valuable lesson here for me is the understanding between the contributors and their key stakeholders. Because monetary gains and growth are not their KPI, they were able to maintain their software at their own pace. Thought exercise: Do you foresee this model staying if…

I know you framed it as a thought exercise but it's unlikely they'll be acquired - https://lichess.org/contact#help-buy
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