Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years • Hacker News Board

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by jimbob45 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:00 PM UTC

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

>Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing.

I doubt that you could find even one person on here who wouldn't support a blanket ban of outsourcing/externalization tomorrow.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by LegitShady » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:01 PM UTC

yerwhat01010 wrote: post #211

aidenn0 wrote: post #200

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The wealthy exploiting the poor predates capitalism by 10s of thousands of years.

I'd also say that the relationship between the average 10th-centry peasant and his feudal lord strikes me as a lot less "exploitative" than the typical employee-employer relationship today.

...please explain your point using a logical argument, because on its face it's ridiculous and untrue.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by Scubabear68 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:01 PM UTC

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Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by Godel_unicode » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:04 PM UTC

wildrhythms wrote: post #207

aidenn0 wrote: post #200

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The wealthy exploiting the poor predates capitalism by 10s of thousands of years.

And nothing has changed.

Your employer has the legal right to tell you whether (and who) you can marry? To tell you where you're allowed to live? Come on. It can simultaneously be true that some people in our society have it bad and also that they have it better than they would have in the middle ages.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by kingsuper20 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:05 PM UTC

justinator wrote: post #176

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

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Under capitalism man exploits man. Under socialism it's just the opposite.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by hi41 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:08 PM UTC

mrb wrote: post #106

His ship has been sitting still for so long that you can see it on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%B3%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%86%D... Edit: a few more story details here: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/19/ever-giv... When he rows to shore to get supplies he can only stay for two hours at most as the area is a restricted military zone. Other crew members were repatriated in September 2019,…

The article says he swam ashore to buy supplies. Why can’t he simply walk away and not return to the ship. The article does not clarify that point. Anyone knows?

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by gentleman11 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:12 PM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #64

mgolawala wrote: post #22

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Yeah that is the part I do not understand. Isn't there a law at sea where if you find an abandoned ship, it is basically yours? Perhaps this law doesn't apply in Egyptian national waters? If he is the legal guardian of the ship, why wouldn't he be able to just sell it for profit and move on? Was it just that there would be no buyer for it, even to scrap it? Or could there have been fines/liens on that ship such that…

It's not abandoned. The government assigned this guy as the caretaker of the property.

That’s slavery

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by gentleman11 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:13 PM UTC

seneca wrote: post #213

kevmo wrote: post #135

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Nasty labour practices... It's just slavery. This poor gentleman was forced into slavery. You're right that this is what we're outsourcing. All of the corporate trade agreements - American manufacturing was shipped overseas, and American labor forced to compete with what is often a modern form of slave labor.

Words have meaning, and the meaning of "slavery" is not "a bad situation". Slavery is alive and well in the world, but this story has nothing to do with it.

They appointed him as a forced custodian and imprisoned him on a boat for 4 years by way of forcing him to be its guardian. That is slavery. Could he quit? Did he have any rights or freedoms while in his situation?

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by arlk » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:14 PM UTC

true_religion wrote: post #118

qz_ wrote: post #74

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Not if you're from Syria.

Why not? Syria does have an embassy in Cairo.

They don't care. Just to let you know how bad are we treated. As a Syrian, I should exchange 100 dollars to enter the country. Some people were stuck at the border with Lebanon when that bill was issued and a woman died waiting for someone to bring her the 100 dollars (or 200 because he also needs to go back). We pay 800 euros to get our 2 years of validity passports. A couple of weeks ago, I had to wait from 6 a.m. to 2 p.m. to get the embassy in Berlin to attest my signature on the passport. I had to wait 4 hours to attest my papers at the totally empty embassy in Jakarta.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by munk-a » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:15 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #175

munk-a wrote: post #81

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> Yeah I don't understand what value there is here in assigning it to the crew member who apparently can't decline? The article doesn't state it really explicitly but I believe he was able to decline but maybe not aware of when that decision would need to be made - specifically this passage here: > "I can't force a judge to remove the legal guardianship," a representative [of the shipping company] told us. "And I can…

The shipping company is clearly lying. Plenty of people would take a job living on a boat for a while.

Yea, additionally, the guy was staying on the boat unpaid for the duration - so it's a lot easier to read their actions as pure greed.

There's also a good chance they could've declared the ship lost at sea and either scuttled it or offered it for a dollar (or other token currency amount) to salvage companies.