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Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by zaphirplane »

novok wrote: post #179
jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

> Mohammed, they said, should never have signed the order in the first place.

I wonder what would have happened if he refused to sign

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by bagacrap »

mrb wrote: post #106

His ship has been sitting still for so long that you can see it on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%B3%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%86%D... Edit: a few more story details here: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/19/ever-giv... When he rows to shore to get supplies he can only stay for two hours at most as the area is a restricted military zone. Other crew members were repatriated in September 2019,…

this is 2021 is it not? He was alone for 19 months.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by bagacrap »

yawnxyz wrote: post #199

What would happen if the ship "accidentally" started sinking, or if an explosion or other event of some sort happened to damage the ship?

hard to imagine how he could intentionally sink the ship given its lack of fuel/power

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by nickff »

lolinder wrote: post #193
novok wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

Egypt definitely has fault here, but the company that owns the ship could have gotten the ship out of there if they cared about him at all. Yes, it might have been expensive, but I would expect a US based company to have rescued him within weeks of this situation starting, not years.

The article says the parent company is in financial difficulties, and the individual in question was basically being held for ransom (along with the ship). Depending on the ordering of debts (for the company), they may not have been able to compensate the Egyptians.

All of that being said, I agree an American company likely would have had this sorted out faster, because the USA tends to deal with bankruptcies and the like very quickly.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by mkhalil »

zaphirplane wrote: post #201
novok wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

> Mohammed, they said, should never have signed the order in the first place. I wonder what would have happened if he refused to sign

I am not certain but from my expierence, it would most likely consist of detention, fear, and likely some torture; to say nothing of the torture it is to take someone's passport and trap them onboard a ship for 4 years.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by Ancapistani »

gowld wrote: post #173
BurningFrog wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From reading the article, they just for some legal reason need a person on board the ship. So maybe people could volunteer to replace them on a rolling schedule.

The Egyptian law is ridiculous. The government should hire coast guard staff to supervise the boat.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I don’t have the ability to easily influence that. I might have the ability to make people’s lives easier in similar situations.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by wildrhythms »

aidenn0 wrote: post #200
justinator wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvote me all you want it's not not true. Rich people don't exist without exploiting the poor; so too with countries. I'm not sorry if you're wealthy and this is hurting too close to home, better live with it if you also want to be so wealthy.

The wealthy exploiting the poor predates capitalism by 10s of thousands of years.

And nothing has changed.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by protoman3000 »

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

Ultimately it’s a tragedy of commons situation and in these instances the only solutions are rigorous regulation or internalization of the costs of externalities. Both won’t happen, because the politics behind it are also a tragedy of commons.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

Err here in the United States you have people pissing in bottles and bags because they can't take a break without missing targets. The West is not immune to predatory hiring and employment practices.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by siva7 »

true_religion wrote: post #118
qz_ wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you're from Syria.

Why not? Syria does have an embassy in Cairo.

You realize there is currently one of the bloodiest civil wars of this century happening in syria? an embassy isn’t much worth in such a situation
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