Filecoin, StorJ and the problem with decentralized storage (2019)

Post by ethn » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 9:41 PM UTC

brutaltruth wrote: post #46

Not very interesting. There are ways to solve all of these concerns--no fees are paid during the first X months, nodes periodically tested for bandwidth, etc. etc. Just because the author didn't bother to think it through doesn't mean it's not straightforward. The whole idea of a blockchain is reputation CAN be built up over time, because every transaction is recorded and there might even be incentives to associate n…

Post by jlizzle30 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #67

brutaltruth wrote: post #46

Not very interesting. There are ways to solve all of these concerns--no fees are paid during the first X months, nodes periodically tested for bandwidth, etc. etc. Just because the author didn't bother to think it through doesn't mean it's not straightforward. The whole idea of a blockchain is reputation CAN be built up over time, because every transaction is recorded and there might even be incentives to associate n…

>Amazon already erases books from Kindles, Google scans your Docs for blasphemy against Fauci, and both have been known to throw businesses off their services. In a few years it will seem crazy not to have an extra copy of your data on here. Isn't this a non-issue because you can encrypt your data prior to uploading?

Post by ethn » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

jlizzle30 wrote: post #74

ethn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true, they suffer to the Sybil attack. I could create several digital identities to create a fake reputation.

Not with proof of work.

Post by JoshuaDavid » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 10:08 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #59

pessimizer wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Structurelessness and decentralization are only related in that structureless things are decentralized. Decentralized things are rarely structureless. Whether a networking protocol is decentralized or not, it's definitely not structureless; it's nothing but structure, it's a protocol.

Well put. Thanks for putting words on that. The confusion between structurelessness and decentralization is interesting in and of itself, though. It seems like it is exactly this conflation that prevents people from asking the interesting question: when does a centrally-organized social system (e.g. a business) benefit from a decentralized protocol? It seems like this should have something to do with usage/access pat…

Post by krrrh » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 10:36 PM UTC

300bps wrote: post #63

brutaltruth wrote: post #46

Not very interesting. There are ways to solve all of these concerns--no fees are paid during the first X months, nodes periodically tested for bandwidth, etc. etc. Just because the author didn't bother to think it through doesn't mean it's not straightforward. The whole idea of a blockchain is reputation CAN be built up over time, because every transaction is recorded and there might even be incentives to associate n…

What do you base AWS storage having "an enormous markup" on? AWS has a type of storage to meet any access need / budget. S3 Glacier Deep Dive for example is perfect for storing archival items and costs $0.00099 per GB-month. So you can store a TB for about $1 per month. There are even options like S3 Intelligent Tiering that enable you to store objects on S3 Standard and it will intelligently move them to lower-cost…