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Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by water8 »

jfrunyon wrote: post #162
kevmo wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nasty labour practices... It's just slavery. This poor gentleman was forced into slavery. You're right that this is what we're outsourcing. All of the corporate trade agreements - American manufacturing was shipped overseas, and American labor forced to compete with what is often a modern form of slave labor.

American manufacturing was shipped overseas because , i.e. after, American labor was unable to compete. I'm not sure what "corporate trade agreements" means either; corporations don't make "trade agreements". I'm also not sure why everyone takes for granted that America not having as many manufacturing jobs is a bad thing...

Manufacturing is like a ladder. When you outsource the bottom, it’s no different than cutting the rungs of a ladder beneath you. Manufacturing is essential to the wealth and prosperity of any nation.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by corty »

krapp wrote: post #158
dzolob wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it was forced to slavery by the same people who took that job out of seas. Greed has no bottom.

Yeah but just think of the value being created for shareholders and consumers! /s

And remember, the company only has a duty to its shareholders to be more greedy!

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by gowld »

BurningFrog wrote: post #137
Ancapistani wrote: post #124

Is there something that could be done by people otherwise uninvolved - like myself, or my fellow HN readers - to help the other ~250 people who are currently stuck in similar situations? I don’t even know how to go about enumerating who those people are, their ships, or where they are anchored. With that information a well-organized and/or funded group could at least get someone out to these people to check on them,…

From reading the article, they just for some legal reason need a person on board the ship. So maybe people could volunteer to replace them on a rolling schedule.

The Egyptian law is ridiculous. The government should hire coast guard staff to supervise the boat.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by treeman79 »

mgolawala wrote: post #22
jandrese wrote: post #8

It is supremely unfair for the court to assign him full responsibility for the ship, but without any power over it. If the court were serious about the situation they should have handed the ship over to him entirely. He could then put the ship up on the market for whomever wanted to buy it or sell it to a scrapping company. If you think this would be unfair to the ships owners this is exactly the point. Force them to…

Yeah that is the part I do not understand. Isn't there a law at sea where if you find an abandoned ship, it is basically yours? Perhaps this law doesn't apply in Egyptian national waters? If he is the legal guardian of the ship, why wouldn't he be able to just sell it for profit and move on? Was it just that there would be no buyer for it, even to scrap it? Or could there have been fines/liens on that ship such that…

Find a 500 year d ship full of gold and everyone owns it. Even the original insurance company.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by gowld »

munk-a wrote: post #81
duxup wrote: post #34

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Yeah I don't understand what value there is here in assigning it to the crew member who apparently can't decline? Even if he could manage the ship, a random crew member is highly unlikely to have resources to care for a ship like that... what value is there in assigning him this responsibility? They just punishing someone for the sake of it?

> Yeah I don't understand what value there is here in assigning it to the crew member who apparently can't decline? The article doesn't state it really explicitly but I believe he was able to decline but maybe not aware of when that decision would need to be made - specifically this passage here: > "I can't force a judge to remove the legal guardianship," a representative [of the shipping company] told us. "And I can…

The shipping company is clearly lying. Plenty of people would take a job living on a boat for a while.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by justinator »

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

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Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by londons_explore »

gowld wrote: post #173
BurningFrog wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From reading the article, they just for some legal reason need a person on board the ship. So maybe people could volunteer to replace them on a rolling schedule.

The Egyptian law is ridiculous. The government should hire coast guard staff to supervise the boat.

I wonder if there is any value in supervising the boat if it has no power... No power means no engines, no lights and no radios. That means even if the boat was robbed, there is nothing the supervisor could do about it.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by gowld »

wazoox wrote: post #138

A friend of mine who's working on installing multimedia systems on luxury yacht told me a recent story today: a woman came from Florida to work on a yacht that was called by his owner to some place. Unfortunately, unbeknownst to her she had COVID. all of the 12 crew members went sick; the boat stopped at Malta, and 2 stewards died. As the ship was late and stranded, the owner simply fired all of the remaining people…

Your friend shouldn't name and shame the boat owner.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by novok »

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country.

This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by gowld »

sizzzzlerz wrote: post #41

I'm not clear what Egypt's goal was by forcing this man to stay aboard the ship. Simply declaring him the guardian never made it so. He was never going to be able to resolve the issues himself and it appears the owners have simply abandoned it and written it off. If Egypt can't get money from the owners, then, as owners of the canal, deny other of their ships passage through it.

In a state without civil rights, a hair to the side of a dictatorship, people don't have civil rights.
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