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Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that AI crossed human expert performance in NLP / Vision tasks ?

Exactly how does one outperform a human expert in natural language processing?

Parent probably meant that it outperformed a human expert in some specific task in the area of natural language processing - for example the task of converting a spoken language into a written language...

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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How much memory is on the chip, and what kind is it? Under what circumstances does the chip need to access external memory? What type of communication interfaces does this chip have? Also, if the chip is the size of a wafer, is it appropriate to call it a Chip?

40GB of SRAM. Not quite big enough to fit the big models like GPT3

SRAM (static RAM) vs DRAM (dynamic RAM) for anybody else curious: https://computer.howstuffworks.com/question452.htm

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that AI crossed human expert performance in NLP / Vision tasks ?

Exactly how does one outperform a human expert in natural language processing?

See, if you were an AI, you would understand EXACTLY what the poster means by this.

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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Most interesting aspect of wafer-scale manufacturing is yield. Even if we have 95% chip yield, as the chip size approaches the wafer-level dimensions, I don't know off top of my head what the math would be but it is going to plummet drastically. My guess is that they're handling this in the chip logic. Building resiliency by turning off cells in the wafer that didn't yield. That begs the question, how are they probin…

Not an expert in chip manufacturing but my guess is that they just disable the parts that don't work and their big numbers represent ~80% of the actual number of transistors in the wafer because they account for that manufacturing loss.

Correct. You already have the same with modern CPUs and GPUs. You just disable the defect parts. Obviously, that sounds way easier than it is.

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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How can the chip itself consume that kind of power? Or is the 15kw value for the entire unit? That's like 10 residential space heaters all turned to max. I'm surprised that much heat could be dissipated over such a small surface area. Does it use refrigerant for cooling? If my math is correct, if you had a 6500BTU window air conditioner, you'd need 8 of them to move the heat from this chip.

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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Most interesting aspect of wafer-scale manufacturing is yield. Even if we have 95% chip yield, as the chip size approaches the wafer-level dimensions, I don't know off top of my head what the math would be but it is going to plummet drastically. My guess is that they're handling this in the chip logic. Building resiliency by turning off cells in the wafer that didn't yield. That begs the question, how are they probin…

It's the old Wafer Scale Integration again. But now shows a successful product : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafer-scale_integration

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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How much memory is on the chip, and what kind is it? Under what circumstances does the chip need to access external memory? What type of communication interfaces does this chip have? Also, if the chip is the size of a wafer, is it appropriate to call it a Chip?

Tom's Hardware has some nice tables comparing the specs: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cerebras-wafer-scale-engin... (more than the IEEE) This thing pulls 15-20kW of juice!

> This thing pulls 15-20kW of juice!

If you look at the wafer she’s holding at the top, it’s seemingly segmented into a 12x7 grid of roughly chip-sized rectangles. That’s 84 “CPUs” at 200-240 watts each, which is pretty well in line with discrete server CPUs.

The amount of heat coming off this thing must be amazing, though.

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I think I once saw one of the founders with a wafer in an In n' out with a potential investor. Looking at what Apple achieved with their M1A and the demand for "AI" - or training neutral networks, what it really is - they have a lot of potential. At least as long as the AI bubble doesn't burst.

Re: Cerebras’ new monster AI chip adds 1.4T transistors

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How much memory is on the chip, and what kind is it? Under what circumstances does the chip need to access external memory? What type of communication interfaces does this chip have? Also, if the chip is the size of a wafer, is it appropriate to call it a Chip?

40GB of SRAM. Not quite big enough to fit the big models like GPT3

It seems like you typically want a balance of memory size/bandwidth to compute ratio for typical deep learning applications.

The 40GB of SRAM probably has tremendous bandwidth (it could all be updated every few cycles!), but the memory size is very small compared to the amount of compute available.

However, maybe a different way of looking at it is that this chip will allow the training steps on deep learning models to take a fraction of the time as a GPU. Perhaps what takes 1s on a GPU could take 10ms on this chip.

So, this product may be effective at making training happen very fast, but without substantial model size or efficiency gains.

That's still ground breaking -- you can't acheive this result on GPUs. You can't achieve this result by any parallelization or distributed training, either. The large batch sizes in distributed training do not result in the same model or one that generalizes as well.

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