LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents • Hacker News Board

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by alderssc » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:36 AM UTC

TomOfTTB wrote: post #39

potatolicious wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "If you can't uphold the law as a cop you would lose your job." Your responsibility to humanity ( particularly as an officer of the law) trumps your right to be fed. Also, the world at large has upheld, many times over, that "following orders" is not a sufficient defense. "But I have a mortgage" - the new and improved Nuremberg Defense (with apologies to Thank You For Smoking). Hell, the people who relied on the Nu…

You're wrong on this (or at very least looking at the issue without nuance). More often than not "just following orders" IS a sufficient defense. Only in the most heinous of acts is it considered insufficient (if that weren't the case there'd be no reason to define what is and is not a "war crime") Deporting someone, even if you feel it's unjustified, is a far cry from a War Crime. That's the cogent point. The danger…

This is a pretty interesting topic. I'm reminded of the famous trial of Adolf Eichmann in Israel after WW2 and Hannah Arendt's book about the trial, "The Banality of Evil".

Eichmann was responsible for over-seeing the trains that sent Jews to concentration camps. He tried, to no avail, to employ the "just following orders" defense. If anyone is interested, definitely check out Hannah's book.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by sukuriant » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:37 AM UTC

blendergasket wrote: post #52

bsiemon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every profession does not grant you the ability to send people to jail based on your word.

Or shoot people lying prostrate on the ground in the back and kill them.

They're not allowed to do that, in my knowledge.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by jacoblyles » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:47 AM UTC

Animus7 wrote: post #58

kristofferR wrote: post #40

There's certainly a bunch of interesting stuff in there, like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes and a ton of information about gangs and smuggling. There's also other cool technical stuff in there, like how they gather digital evidence, information about hacker forums like ryan1918.com that have information on FBI honeypots and a book on…

> like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes Idea: a self-destruct mode where if your phone can't call home to check for remote wipe and kick an internal watchdog, it will prompt for local self-destruct override. Failing that, automatic wipe.

given AT&T's infamous coverage area, this might not be a good idea.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by trotsky » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:47 AM UTC

Animus7 wrote: post #58

kristofferR wrote: post #40

There's certainly a bunch of interesting stuff in there, like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes and a ton of information about gangs and smuggling. There's also other cool technical stuff in there, like how they gather digital evidence, information about hacker forums like ryan1918.com that have information on FBI honeypots and a book on…

> like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes Idea: a self-destruct mode where if your phone can't call home to check for remote wipe and kick an internal watchdog, it will prompt for local self-destruct override. Failing that, automatic wipe.

bummer: sleeping through the alert after your local tower goes offline for a few hours.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by vailripper » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:48 AM UTC

It's only a matter of time until the government starts reigning in the internet even more than they already have - and we have idiots like LulzSec to largely thank for it.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:50 AM UTC

Animus7 wrote: post #58

kristofferR wrote: post #40

There's certainly a bunch of interesting stuff in there, like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes and a ton of information about gangs and smuggling. There's also other cool technical stuff in there, like how they gather digital evidence, information about hacker forums like ryan1918.com that have information on FBI honeypots and a book on…

> like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes Idea: a self-destruct mode where if your phone can't call home to check for remote wipe and kick an internal watchdog, it will prompt for local self-destruct override. Failing that, automatic wipe.

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Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by JonnieCache » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:51 AM UTC

Animus7 wrote: post #58

kristofferR wrote: post #40

There's certainly a bunch of interesting stuff in there, like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes and a ton of information about gangs and smuggling. There's also other cool technical stuff in there, like how they gather digital evidence, information about hacker forums like ryan1918.com that have information on FBI honeypots and a book on…

> like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes Idea: a self-destruct mode where if your phone can't call home to check for remote wipe and kick an internal watchdog, it will prompt for local self-destruct override. Failing that, automatic wipe.

>Idea: a self-destruct mode where if your phone can't call home to check for remote wipe and kick an internal watchdog, it will prompt for local self-destruct override. Failing that, automatic wipe.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dead_man%27s_...

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by JonnieCache » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:53 AM UTC

scythe wrote: post #61

So... do you think it's possible LulzSec is based in China or Russia? That's the only way I can imagine them doing this that doesn't involve being clinically insane.

Being teenagers.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by pnathan » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:55 AM UTC

blhack wrote: post #44

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Bef…

They are playing with the big boys. But really - does anyone think that direct action anarchist philosophy leads elsewhere?

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by daeken » Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 2:56 AM UTC

sukuriant wrote: post #70

abbasmehdi wrote: post #17

Racial profiling sucks! It's demeaning, belittling, and alienating. If the cops acted within the law, then what are they afraid of? More transparency = a more democratic state, right? (I don't think their family names should have been listed here though). You can't applaud Wiki leaks for igniting the overthrow of autocratic Middle Eastern governments, and hypocritically argue against similar actions when it's your ow…

I'm trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic. "If the cops acted within the law, then what are they afraid of?" That sounds like the exact same statements we usually say with regard to what the government would say to us when we want our emails to remain private, etc. "If you've got nothing to hide, why do you want it kept private?" You cannot hold both positions here. You cannot. I'm sorry. In this instance, w…

I'm not entirely sure that accepting "If the cops acted within the law, then what are they afraid of?" and fighting "If you've got nothing to hide, why do you want it kept private?" are mutually exclusive, for the same reason that many believes Wikileaks is in the right: these aren't private organizations, these are public workers on the people's dime. Secrecy in government and privacy for citizens are two completely different things.

That said, it seems to me (just from what I've read here, mind you) that there is people's private data in here, not just "police business data", for lack of a better term. Of course, that's to be expected with Lulzsec, considering their previous releases. If that's the case, then the line is certainly blurrier with respect to this data, but I don't believe that detracts from my point.