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Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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No mention of the nutritional value. Which is my concern with Beyond Meat as well. It's great that it's not meat from factory farming POV, but it's not nutritious food either.

My doctor recommended BeyondMeat as an alternative to my soy-heavy diet because it's based on pea protein. What exactly makes BeyondMeat something that's not nutritious?

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, Beyond meat is one of the main meat substitutes making the rounds alongside Impossible burgers, right? If I'm not mixing up my names, what makes it a pump and dump?

It seems like the discourse has shifted to describe even legitimate businesses that are overvalued in the opinion of an author as "pump and dump" or "ponzi scheme"

It’s maybe not entirely accurate, but it seems at least in the ballpark of a reasonable description for a public company that’s never made money and has no legible path to making money.

That said, it looks Beyond Meat made money in two quarters last year. So not a good fit on those criteria.

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the comments below - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26905472 ~$200 for a 6-piece sushi roll.

Is there hope for some kind of law for the price steadily decreasing over time as efficiencies improve, like Moore's law for computer chips or the exponential increase of solar efficiency?

The industry term for how prices drop as you make more of something is the "learning curve".

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

#74

What are their methods? Does this make $100/lb salmon?

For reference, fresh, wild, King Salmon, which is only available at certain times of the the year (depends on your state/country), can be $30 a pound or more. At $100 or $200 a pound, they don't have that far to go to be in the ballpark.

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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Yes, but how does it taste?

It's easier to overlook taste than price.

Depends who your target audience is. I imagine the audience for extremely expensive and hard to obtain artifically grown sushi with decent taste is probably bigger than the market for, say, extremely expensive and hard to obtain artificially grown hotdog meat with decent taste.

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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As a curiosity and side note, Salmon wasn't always eaten by the Japanese as sushi. It was considered a garbage fish that you'd grill due to its likelihood of being infected by parasites. It was the Norwegians that had a surplus, and was looking for a new market to open up that salmon sushi became a thing.

https://medium.com/torodex/salmon-sushi-is-not-a-japanese-in...

The Norwegians probably won't pay attention to this initially, but will probably come out against it, given that Salmon is at least a chunk of chain for their industries.

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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Is it worse to kill something for food, or deny it from ever living? I think personally I think I would prefer to have lived and be killed than not lived at all. I also kind of believe that things have an essence, a soul of sorts. So eating any part of an animal is still repulsive on some level.

What is "it" from ever living. An stack of lumber does not make a table. The table doesn't exist until the wood is configured as such.

If this salmon meat is grown by replicating cells, then there was no "life" that was denied. Your statement would imply that it "existed" somehow before it came into some physical form.

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the discourse has shifted to describe even legitimate businesses that are overvalued in the opinion of an author as "pump and dump" or "ponzi scheme"

It’s maybe not entirely accurate, but it seems at least in the ballpark of a reasonable description for a public company that’s never made money and has no legible path to making money. That said, it looks Beyond Meat made money in two quarters last year. So not a good fit on those criteria.

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Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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"sushi-grade" sounds like "fantastic" or any other not leverageable marketing promise. The cells I suppose must be stem cells, induced with some solution to grow into a homogenous mass of soft tissue. I'm very confused about this. Why just gimme the nutrient solution.

It typically depends on the fish. Usually sashimi/sushi grade fish consists of deep muscle tissue that is unlikely to contain parasites. EG: Fish that is suitable for eating raw. In the US all fish intended for raw consumption is frozen below -32F to kill any parasites. However this is just a guideline and health codes are enforced on a per-state basis. Sashimi/sushi grade is usually just a marketing term beyond that…

That's a bit different than "fantastic", in that it is a much worse type of misleading, unless you concern was their lab is prone to parasites?

Re: Wildtype: Sushi-grade salmon grown from Pacific Salmon cells

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post #17

No mention of the nutritional value. Which is my concern with Beyond Meat as well. It's great that it's not meat from factory farming POV, but it's not nutritious food either.

My doctor recommended BeyondMeat as an alternative to my soy-heavy diet because it's based on pea protein. What exactly makes BeyondMeat something that's not nutritious?

I mean, just because one thing is preferable to another doesn’t mean that both are good. Hitting yourself in the head with a smaller rock is preferably to hitting yourself with a larger rock.

I’m not a doctor or a nutritionist, but it appears that processed food has a host of negative effects according to recent studies (for example https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-find...). Now you can pick apart these studies, but ultimately we “know” very little about nutrition for certain, which is why there are so many conflicting studies.

What concerns me about fake meat products and why I won’t consume them is that they are heavily processed. In my limited experience, eating whole foods from fresh, organic suppliers is the way to go. I’ll let someone else be the guinea pig for processed foods.

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