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Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by ben0x539 »

brahyam wrote: post #143
dnate wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got a 6 figure non-senior position in Berlin. Sent out close to 100 applications and went into interview processes at around 30 places. 80-90k is definitely doable if you are good and take your time (I was looking for 3-4 months). You need to filter beforehand for salary. Most places expect to pay around 60-70k max. But getting the higher salary is more a matter of finding the company willing to pay it than ju…

If you don't mind sharing. What's the position title that you got/were searching for?. I live in Berlin and I've never seen even a 6 figure senior software engineer position.

I personally know people have made 6 figures in non-senior positions in Berlin working for German subsidiaries of multi-national companies, just "Software Development Engineer". I don't know if that happens through job listing offering 6 figure salaries or entering at a lower salary and getting raises.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

lacker wrote: post #123

The salaries seem really low. The absolute highest paying job listed on their site is a 110,000 euro salary, but you can get more than that with zero experience in California. I wonder if it would be better for software engineers in Germany to simply get remote working jobs for US companies.

US companies don't pay 100k+ in Europe. Amazon pays like 60k base for SDE1 where I live and I think Google pays 70k+ base.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by Rompect »

jakub_g wrote: post #185
light_hue_1 wrote: post #140

Any time these guides come up they are simply shocking. I love Europe, I grew up there. I don't understand why anyone would stay as a developer in the EU. Software is simply not valued. Dev salaries are astounding. Senior engineers in the EU make less than entry level undergrads in the US or Canada. 60k Euros is 70k USD. People out of bootcamps with zero experience make more than that in the US. I don't have a single…

1) In Europe you don't get unexpected medical bills for tens/hundreds thousands of dollars when you have some medical issue. 2) Your kids won't get shot in the school. 3) You don't have to drive 20 minutes to the closest store to buy bread and milk. 4) I have 35d of paid vacation, while AFAICT in US you're lucky if you get 20. I'd get a brain melt or die from overworking if I had any less vacation days than now. I've…

Number 2 de facto doesn't happen in the US.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by Tarsul »

mustafa_pasi wrote: post #85
lbrito wrote: post #14

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I assume engineering positions are on the top bracket of salary distribution. If not even this is enough to pursue home ownership, what kind of people are able to afford a house? Honest question.

> I assume engineering positions are on the top bracket of salary distribution. No, not really. Unlike in the US, other professions still make more to much more. Engineering pays same to slightly more. Tenured professors make more than most SWEs, but there are some SWEs who make more than that. Lawyers and notaries make much more. Doctors of course make much more. I bet architects make more as well but this one I hav…

if we're talking Germany then architects don't earn a lot. Some do but many of them earn less than people in administration in big companies (so less than 60k). Mechanical engineering and IT (Engineers) earn comparatively high in Germany; yes doctors and professors earn more (which is not surprising, or maybe only to people in SV?) but aside from that you don't have a lot of people who earn more. Actually, most lawyers earn less than 60k€ (seems pretty much like a winner takes all market). If you're looking from an American perspective the wages of teachers in Germany are impressive (especially since they don't pay much in taxes), around 60k€ (and dont have to pay 15% in health care nor 10% for their pension like usual workers!) so they are easily in the top 20% wages for Germany.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by luckystarr »

thanato0s wrote: post #4

Leaving in Germany for 6 years. Moved from France. What I'll say only concern Berlin. The interview process in startup can be more draining than that. Currently, it's more like 4 / 5 steps with (sometimes) 6+ hours homework. Yik. 60k is more for senior developers. Junior get less. Other than that the cost of living in Germany is quite low (lower in Berlin than in the South) and it's a very nice and stable country.

Startup take themselves way too seriously. That is reflected in their interview process. I have the benefit of having a few years of experience so I jump to companies which are led by people older than 30-35 and have some experience as well.

The interview process there is a lot more sensible. Pay is the same.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by Vinnl »

lacker wrote: post #123

The salaries seem really low. The absolute highest paying job listed on their site is a 110,000 euro salary, but you can get more than that with zero experience in California. I wonder if it would be better for software engineers in Germany to simply get remote working jobs for US companies.

I work for a US company, but since they're hiring remotely, I'm competing with other European developers. I earn less than I would have earned at my last Dutch employer (which, to be fair, paid comparatively well).

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by Rompect »

martin_a wrote: post #106
dsnr wrote: post #101

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I pay for my own healthcare insurance, as healthcare is not free in Germany. So your points are invalid as far as I’m concerned.

Ah, that's fine. Everybody will also pay for all the infrastructure you might be using and the others not.

Literally "Who would build the roads" lmao

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by ben0x539 »

zwieback wrote: post #169
greatgib wrote: post #129

All in this article looked standard up to the point where I discoved that: "This is assuming that you are single and not a church member, because there is an extra tax (around 9% of your income tax) if you belong to one." Wtf germany? I have found more info: https://www.nomadenberlin.com/blog2/german-church-tax-kirche... it is a complete non-sense to me, if ever you wanted to give, why you are not allowed to decide t…

What's even weirder: church attendance is super low compared the US, the average German pays not to go but on the flipside churches act like social service arms of the government (meals on wheels, eldercare, etc.) Schools also have religious instruction as a main class, although you can opt out. I'm a lifelong atheist but thoroughly enjoyed the religion classes, even picked it as a minor in my upper division classes.…

I grew up in a rural village in Germany. The church operated the kindergarten and the retirement home, and ran some youth organizations with stuff like kids' summer activities. One city over the church ran the hospital, like, to the point where they had nuns on-site. I never really looked too deeply into it but it always felt weird to me how entangled the church is with what is basically treated as public services and hence public finances, since they still get to apply their religious values to hiring discrimination and that sort of thing.

I didn't regularly attend the religion classes, but I did once or twice and they gave me candy for memorizing the ten commandments. Organized religion is a-ok in my book! (In high school, they offered an "ethics" class as alternative to denomination-based religion classes, but I guess in the much smaller elementary school the student numbers wouldn't have justified that.)

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by marcosdumay »

wink wrote: post #116
marcosdumay wrote: post #107

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Especially when the populational trends imply that demand for housing will go down on the distant future. Future performance is almost guaranteed to decouple from past performance at some point.

Your points are technically correct, the best kind of correct. I'm not looking at any undetermined future point in time, if I'm ranting about housing prices it might be not unrealistic that I'd like to buy one in the next few years - and I've seen absolutely zero indication that the prices would suddenly drop by 20-40% to the point where I'd call them reasonable, like 15 years ago.

Huh?

Things will be different on the far future. The exact point when it will change is a matter of speculation, and all the warnings about timing the market apply. You implied a high certainty that nothing will change, ever, and talked about 15 years things.

There is a high likelihood that nothing will change in 5 years (even though COVID19 reduces those odds a lot, because a bunch of people just died). And there is very high likelihood that things will change a lot in 40 years. Time things at your own risk.

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