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Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by intergalplan »

simion314 wrote: post #203
dyingkneepad wrote: post #165

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You are right. The compositor crashing is equivalent to X crashing: everything goes boom. In the X world, if gnome-session dies another one gets automatically started and you may not even realize what happened.

So KDE will have same issues ? I am wondering if they can architect it somehow where you put minimal code in the compositor and move the window management, and the complex effects (like zoom and animation) into a different process. If Linux would have decided to use Mir would have at least shared same "server" code and probably also get around this issues but is hard to promote quality when Gnome and RedHat has a dif…

In fact, KDE might have entirely different issues that cause the same problems. The frustrating thing about Wayland's design is that every single WM/DE now gets to have its own, unique set of "crash the world" stability bugs.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by bayindirh »

hansel_der wrote: post #213
bayindirh wrote: post #195

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Because there's a big software stack from drivers to scientific software which is being developed for 10+ years (or even longer) for RH based distributions, or for CentOS/ScientificLinux specifically Software development and verification is huge in scientific computing. It's not just "Meh, let's port it in a weekend and be done with it".

> It's not just "Meh, let's port it in a weekend and be done with it" maybe time to get on with it.

I'm not sure that you understand the size of the task and the number of people and software packages involved.

Nevertheless, I'll try to call around to see who can start shortly. :)

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by nickthemagicman »

dang wrote: post #218
curt15 wrote: post #156

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Why was the above comment downvoted?

It looked like bad sarcasm to me when I first read it. Perhaps other people thought the same.

I LOVE Ubuntu.

I don't think people realize how important a well supported DESKTOP experience is for open source adoption by the mainstream users.

The mainstream doesn't care about zshell or fish shell or vim.

All they see is the graphical desktop experience, for their email or browser.

If that market can be brought into the open source world away from the giant companies that would be a huge win for open source.

And Ubuntu is currently the only real game in town, and having used it myself since v11 or something it's come a long long way, to the point where my grandmother can use it.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by easton »

e12e wrote: post #83
easton wrote: post #54

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It's kind of odd that they are advertising this now just as Microsoft is trying to get everyone to ditch on-prem AD. Is it just them saying "we ship SSSD in the default install now, so you can buy support from us!", or what? Some way of signing into Ubuntu with a custom SAML provider would be very cool. Windows supports it via their "credential provider"[0] framework and Google uses that to provide sign-in for Window…

I certainly hope ms will drop the need for ad (in favour of azure ad) - but it's still needed for eg azure virtual desktop (you need a vm running ad - or "azure ad ds"[1] in azure parlance). A bit frustrating, as you can otherwise join a windows 10 desktop (or vm) to just azure ad for sso etc. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory-doma...

That's still the most bizarre product decision Microsoft has made (to me) in the past 5 years. They are trying to get everyone to Azure and Azure AD, then they launch a product that is basically Citrix but 50% of the cost, with the catch that you need to still have on-prem AD to use it. What?

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Post by kbrwn »

dralley wrote: post #206
bayindirh wrote: post #174

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Hey: Please read the answer to this comment first. It contains some very important clarifications . Leaving the comment up for completeness, context and admittance of error. Happy reading. --- Disclaimer: We use CentOS on almost all of our servers at production level for 10+ years. The main problem with CentOS is not moving into a rolling release schedule, but change of its place in the ecosystem. Before, CentOS was…

Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat >CentOS makes the Beta & RC testing and RedHat gets more thoroughly tested patches and, that's it. CentOS is moving to a Debian Testing meets Arch Linux position. It's neither stable as Debian Testing, Nor supported like Arch and lacks any official support and possibly no security patch support. This isn't correct. Debian Testing is a true rolling release distribution for the next "majo…

> where did you hear that CentOS Stream didn't receive security patches? That is false...

It's not false under the context of long term support which is why I highlighted so in the OP. How long will each CentOS Stream release be supported? How long with each CentOS Stream release receive security patches?

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by lordlimecat »

Koffiepoeder wrote: post #132
gmaster1440 wrote: post #4

Azure Active Directory support is pretty significant, means any company that uses Microsoft MDM can now support engineers who prefer linux machines.

To be honest I'm not a fan of this. Linux was one of the few ways to stay free of the behemoth of corporate, invasive crapware that is forced upon employees. By evolving towards a full enterprise managed OS (with stuff like AD) this freedom will more and more be corrupted.

The AD support has been there for a while, sans the GPO desktop stuff. You could do dynamic DNS, full kerberos (including SSH SSO via Kerberos ticket), access control / HBAC (via GPOs), sudoers via LDAP, even centrally tie SSH keys to LDAP users.

Some environments mandate this stuff, and there's frankly no excuse for NOT supporting Kerberos / LDAP / centralized auth. The choice wasnt whether to support "stuff like this", but whether the support would be first class or second rate.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by GordonS »

greatgib wrote: post #193

Just opened the page and from the first sentence I had the proof that the ubuntu of Canonical is now a ghost of itself and already far down on the slippery slope... "22 April 2021: Today, Canonical released Ubuntu 21.04 with native Microsoft Active Directory integration, Wayland graphics by default, and a Flutter application development SDK. Separately, Canonical and Microsoft announced performance optimization and j…

> integrate whatever shitty stack that they want to push

> who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux?

The anti-anything-Microsoft rhetoric got old a long time ago, and TBH, comes across as petulent and a bit childish. Having actually used it for several years, I can say that MS SQL is a really good database - it has features and integrations that Postgres doesn't, and vice-versa. And if nothing else, having SQL Server on Linux is great for running on Docker when testing.

FWIW, I'm a huge fan of Postgres, and it's my database of choice - nobody is forcing you to use SQL Server just because it's better supported.

It seems to me that changes like this only serve to bolster the popularity of Linux.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by lordlimecat »

fiberoptick wrote: post #140
Koffiepoeder wrote: post #132

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To be honest I'm not a fan of this. Linux was one of the few ways to stay free of the behemoth of corporate, invasive crapware that is forced upon employees. By evolving towards a full enterprise managed OS (with stuff like AD) this freedom will more and more be corrupted.

Well, at companies that actually care about 100% rollout of "corporate, invasive crapware" on computers that _they own_ and that are used to process _company data_ and access _company resources_, the alternative is usually just to ban Linux workstations altogether. I see this as a strict improvement for adoption of Linux workstations in the corporate world

I'm not aware of ubuntu now supporting "rollout of corporate crapware" via this AD support.

MSIs still dont work on Ubuntu. GPOs are still very limited-- mostly just HBAC type stuff.

The stuff that works is the important stuff, but if people want to roll out software to Linux they aren't doing it with AD. They're doing it with a CM tool like puppet or ansible.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by Quekid5 »

intergalplan wrote: post #78
simion314 wrote: post #50

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>The worst thing is that it would RANDOMLY cause Gnome to restart while closing all my applications. Question: Is this a GNOME architecture issue? I hope KDE could avoid this issues, atm on Xorg I can restart the window manager and the desktop shell without losing any data.

I don't have a firm answer, but considering how much Wayland pushes off on the compositor (seemingly everything, nothing is ever Wayland's fault or responsibility) I'd expect that the compositor (every desktop environment or WM also needs to be a compositor, now) crashing is identical to all of Xorg crashing, not just the DE or WM under Xorg crashing.

> (seemingly everything, nothing is ever Wayland's fault or responsibility)

That's because there is no such thing as "wayland" actually running on your machine -- it's simply a protocol for compositors and applications to talk to each other.

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