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Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by julianlam »

pacoverdi wrote: post #124
momothereal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've learned not to hold my breath on Ubuntu + Nvidia cards ever working out of the box. I've been using Pop_OS as a daily driver (distro over Ubuntu) and it works 95% of the time.

Thanks for the tip. Just tried it. Looks nice but suffers from the same problem as Ubuntu 21.04: laggy with fractional scaling. But fractional scaling with Nvidia did not work at all before 21.04 so I guess there is progress.

What level of scaling are you using? I tried turning on "large text" in Accessibility settings, which functions like 1.25

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by neither_color »

fisting wrote: post #166

I know it's meant to be a hippopotamus, but the default desktop background just reminds me of a couple of hairy testicles. https://res.cloudinary.com/canonical/image/fetch/f_auto,q_au... Definitely changing that after install, I don't want to be greeted by a giant parcel of pubes when I log in.

Do hippos even have notable amounts of hair? lmgtfm

Unlike most other semiaquatic animals, hippos have very little hair. The skin is 6 cm (2 in) thick, providing it great protection against conspecifics and predators.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by simion314 »

dyingkneepad wrote: post #165
intergalplan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a firm answer, but considering how much Wayland pushes off on the compositor (seemingly everything, nothing is ever Wayland's fault or responsibility) I'd expect that the compositor (every desktop environment or WM also needs to be a compositor, now) crashing is identical to all of Xorg crashing, not just the DE or WM under Xorg crashing.

You are right. The compositor crashing is equivalent to X crashing: everything goes boom. In the X world, if gnome-session dies another one gets automatically started and you may not even realize what happened.

So KDE will have same issues ? I am wondering if they can architect it somehow where you put minimal code in the compositor and move the window management, and the complex effects (like zoom and animation) into a different process.

If Linux would have decided to use Mir would have at least shared same "server" code and probably also get around this issues but is hard to promote quality when Gnome and RedHat has a different idea.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by jcastro »

greatgib wrote: post #193

Just opened the page and from the first sentence I had the proof that the ubuntu of Canonical is now a ghost of itself and already far down on the slippery slope... "22 April 2021: Today, Canonical released Ubuntu 21.04 with native Microsoft Active Directory integration, Wayland graphics by default, and a Flutter application development SDK. Separately, Canonical and Microsoft announced performance optimization and j…

> For example, Microsoft SQL, if you are on Linux, you have the full power of Postgres, Mariadb, ..., who in his right mind would willing-fully use Ms SQL on Linux?

It's not an operating system's job to tell people what to run on it, it's job is to provide a platform.

If you want to go around yelling at people for using MS SQL then that's your choice right? Don't expect others to do the same.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by young_unixer »

fisting wrote: post #166

I know it's meant to be a hippopotamus, but the default desktop background just reminds me of a couple of hairy testicles. https://res.cloudinary.com/canonical/image/fetch/f_auto,q_au... Definitely changing that after install, I don't want to be greeted by a giant parcel of pubes when I log in.

That was my first thought was well. Glad I'm not the only one with a dirty mind.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by dralley »

bayindirh wrote: post #174
1337shadow wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how moving to a rolling release strategy results in any kind of "death", seems like FUD to me. Rolling release, trying to stick to upstream releases as closely as possible, works well with Arch Linux, I'm glad CentOS learned from Arch Linux success. DISCLAMER: I'm not even a CentOS user, but I just like what RH does and has done for "the Linux community" as you call it (I would just call it "society" bu…

Hey: Please read the answer to this comment first. It contains some very important clarifications . Leaving the comment up for completeness, context and admittance of error. Happy reading. --- Disclaimer: We use CentOS on almost all of our servers at production level for 10+ years. The main problem with CentOS is not moving into a rolling release schedule, but change of its place in the ecosystem. Before, CentOS was…

Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat

>CentOS makes the Beta & RC testing and RedHat gets more thoroughly tested patches and, that's it. CentOS is moving to a Debian Testing meets Arch Linux position. It's neither stable as Debian Testing, Nor supported like Arch and lacks any official support and possibly no security patch support.

This isn't correct.

Debian Testing is a true rolling release distribution for the next "major" version of Debian. If you install Debian testing, what you're getting is a hybrid between Debian N and Debian N+1, with package versions that at any point in time may or may not be similar to those in _either_ Debian N or Debian N+1, since they get continually updated up until the stabilization phase.

That is not what CentOS Stream is.

CentOS Stream is a rolling release for the next minor (_not_ major) release of RHEL, and follows the same development process, including the exact same CI and testing scrutiny that was required to update a package in RHEL internally. It's basically taking the development process which used to be internal, and opening it up to everyone else.

Unlike Debian Testing, CentOS Stream is _not_ a hybrid between major releases of RHEL (say, RHEL 8 and RHEL 9). It's frozen to a major release. So CentOS Stream 8 will track the development of RHEL 8.3, 8.4, 8.5 and so on, and CentOS Stream 9 will track the development of RHEL 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 and so on. And like both RHEL and current CentOS, that means that the updates will only fall into the categories of backported bugfixes, security fixes, support for new hardware, and on very rare occasions individual backported features.

This is more significantly stable than Debian Testing - it is less "Debian Testing meets Arch" but rather "old CentOS meets Debian Testing".

Where did you hear that CentOS Stream didn't receive security patches? That is not true...

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by flurdy »

fisting wrote: post #166

I know it's meant to be a hippopotamus, but the default desktop background just reminds me of a couple of hairy testicles. https://res.cloudinary.com/canonical/image/fetch/f_auto,q_au... Definitely changing that after install, I don't want to be greeted by a giant parcel of pubes when I log in.

I saw something different from the other gender, still hairy. Though now I can't stop seeing the testicles.

How did this pass any UX testing?

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by aendruk »

The content of this page is obstructed by a full-viewport modal employing dark patterns to get me to enter into some agreement with Canonical.

Why so hostile?

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by _fat_santa »

fisting wrote: post #166

I know it's meant to be a hippopotamus, but the default desktop background just reminds me of a couple of hairy testicles. https://res.cloudinary.com/canonical/image/fetch/f_auto,q_au... Definitely changing that after install, I don't want to be greeted by a giant parcel of pubes when I log in.

thanks. now I can't unsee it.

Re: Ubuntu 21.04

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

jwr wrote: post #186
2pointsomone wrote: post #129

I have been following the Ubuntu homepage for about 15 years, and it's so interesting how they went from prominently promoting every CTA around downloading the desktop version, to now, where I had to spend 5 minutes trying to find a link on their site to the ubuntu.com/desktop site.

I found something else sad about their site. It slaps me in the face with one of those "select the type of trackers you consent to" popups. Is this really aligned with Canonical's (and Ubuntu's) philosophy and goals?

> Is this really aligned with Canonical's (and Ubuntu's) philosophy and goals?

The snarky answer and the sincere answer are the same for once: Yes. If you want that, go to Debian.

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