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Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by scanny »

martin_a wrote: post #100
scanny wrote: post #96

My 2 cents: Just finished my first month in Munich as a Web Dev after moving from Australia. Company is great and colleagues are lovely. German bureaucracy sucks but apart from that it has been an experience of ‘the more things change the more they stay the same’ when it comes to the job and culture. Honestly linkedin has had the best results for jobs, that and using a template for CVS and cover letters. There’s plen…

Good to hear that you like it. Munich can be lovely in the summer, you'll surely enjoy it. Also: Enjoying a real bavarian Biergärten is something I really look for after Corona.

After seeing the size of them when empty I really am keen to see them in full swing. It’s beautiful here, touring by bike has been fantastic, it must be amazing when everything has leaves!

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by jsdwarf »

erinnh wrote: post #87
sdevonoes wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's do some simple (and probably wrong, but hey) maths: - House price: 450K euro - In Europe you usually need around 30% of the house in cash (20% for down payment and 10% for paperwork and the like). This means you need 135K euro saved. Saving 18K euro/year => you need to save money for 7 years - Now you get a mortage for the 70% of the 450K euro (315K euro). Now depending on how much you want to pay every month,…

Thats wrong. At least right now. 10% down payment is quite common currently in Germany for a house.

10% is the absolute minimum and doesn't buy you anything of the house, it just covers the legal and realtor fees.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by lacker »

The salaries seem really low. The absolute highest paying job listed on their site is a 110,000 euro salary, but you can get more than that with zero experience in California. I wonder if it would be better for software engineers in Germany to simply get remote working jobs for US companies.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by tsss »

lbrito wrote: post #14
sdevonoes wrote: post #8

> To sum up: if you are single and opt for "live cool and don't care about expenses" style, then an average developer salary will be enough (it might be harder if you have a family to feed). > On the other hand, if you choose to go the student-like route (living in Wohngemeinschaft and not eating out too much), you can easily manage with just 1.200-1.500 EUR per month, and save the majority of your salary. I know it…

I assume engineering positions are on the top bracket of salary distribution. If not even this is enough to pursue home ownership, what kind of people are able to afford a house? Honest question.

> what kind of people are able to afford a house?

- People with 30+ year mortgages

- People living in the middle of nowhere who will work at the same crappy company for the rest of their lives (or lose everything when they are let go)

- People who commute 2h per day

- People who inherit at least 100k

- People who bought their first house 10 or 15 years ago and now think they're invincible because real estate prices have exploded

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by distances »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #75
jamil7 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean you can definitely earn more than 60k in Germany. I don't know about Berlin though. In Stuttgart, Frankfurt or Munich this would be too little to get a senior developer. You can do it in Berlin if you go the freelancer route but that comes with it's own complications in Germany.

> but that comes with it's own complications in Germany. like what? being able to do your own tax and get refunds for all your expenses the way you should? an accountant who does once a year your "EkSt Erklaerung" costs you anywhere between 600-1000 (once a year) and it saves you anywhere between 5K - 25K depending on what your year was like and the expenses you had.

They probably mean the hassle of monthly taxes and finding multiple clients per year.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by maigret »

mratsim wrote: post #111
lbrito wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume engineering positions are on the top bracket of salary distribution. If not even this is enough to pursue home ownership, what kind of people are able to afford a house? Honest question.

Same in France especially Paris. A decent home (say 80 m²) is at least 700k€ at the moment. Only people who bought a decade ago, work in Finance or as a notaries or sold shares in a successful startup can afford it.

I think now the prices are more expensive in Germany overall, although there is less variation... Paris is very expensive it's true. But you'll be damned to find a decent home under 500k in the whole South Germany. And they are not nearly as nice as the old french houses. I'm really contemplating relocating or buying something in France at the moment.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by jamil7 »

distances wrote: post #125
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but that comes with it's own complications in Germany. like what? being able to do your own tax and get refunds for all your expenses the way you should? an accountant who does once a year your "EkSt Erklaerung" costs you anywhere between 600-1000 (once a year) and it saves you anywhere between 5K - 25K depending on what your year was like and the expenses you had.

They probably mean the hassle of monthly taxes and finding multiple clients per year.

Yeah monthly taxes for the first year is a pain although it goes down to quarterly after that. It also makes it harder to get a mortgage and that you will likely not be picked when looking to rent a flat over employed people. There are also uncertainties around how long and how much you can work for a single client without causing issues for your client, although I usually don’t do contracts longer than 6mo. I think it still is far better than working salaried, at least for me.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by jsdwarf »

thanato0s wrote: post #4

Leaving in Germany for 6 years. Moved from France. What I'll say only concern Berlin. The interview process in startup can be more draining than that. Currently, it's more like 4 / 5 steps with (sometimes) 6+ hours homework. Yik. 60k is more for senior developers. Junior get less. Other than that the cost of living in Germany is quite low (lower in Berlin than in the South) and it's a very nice and stable country.

The problem with Germany and many parts of Europe is Nearshoring. Why overpay a developer at Berlin if Polonia is just 200km away? Same goes for Vienna and Hungary. I'm sure silicon valley salaries wouldn't skyrocket that much if the Mexican border was closer and less restrictive.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by greatgib »

All in this article looked standard up to the point where I discoved that:

"This is assuming that you are single and not a church member, because there is an extra tax (around 9% of your income tax) if you belong to one."

Wtf germany?

I have found more info:

https://www.nomadenberlin.com/blog2/german-church-tax-kirche...

it is a complete non-sense to me, if ever you wanted to give, why you are not allowed to decide the amount and to who you give?

And 9% is a very important amount in my opinion!

The more crazy, if ever you wanted to change your situation to declare yourself not a church member, then you have to fill forms with multiple id, and pay 30euros of fee.

Re: How to find a job as Software Developer in Germany

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Post by hobofan »

sdevonoes wrote: post #63
dkyc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why's that? Saving 18k for 5 years would yield you 90k€, which would be an appropriate 20% down payment on the 450k€ house.

Let's do some simple (and probably wrong, but hey) maths: - House price: 450K euro - In Europe you usually need around 30% of the house in cash (20% for down payment and 10% for paperwork and the like). This means you need 135K euro saved. Saving 18K euro/year => you need to save money for 7 years - Now you get a mortage for the 70% of the 450K euro (315K euro). Now depending on how much you want to pay every month,…

> top 10% tier in the society (in terms of gross income)

According to this statistic[0], that should be 39.1% (numbers are for net income, but top two brackets should fit 60k gross income). In a household with two working people that both have semi-decent jobs you'll have that (and with tech job + basically any other job, you'll beat that).

> Let's say you are at this moment 25 years old, so you'll get your house paid when you are 50.

Yes, that sounds about right, and from what I can gather isn't too different from how it worked in my parents generation. What do you expect? That you can pay off a house in 10 years?

[0]: https://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/soziale-si...

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