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Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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If you ignore things like $GME (which will eventually be regulated like the rest), traders keep their strategy a secret. Interested in knowing how this will pan out

Buy index fund, wait, profit. Not a secret and beats active traders every time.

No it doesn’t. The appeal of index funds is that they are perfectly average. Sure, beating the index every year is a challenge, but who cares about that? The game is making money turn into more money, not trying to get 1% more than the S&P for everyone except fund managers. Beating the index by a massive amount once pays for all the times you underperform it.

Not to mention: hedge funds have beat the market very consistently for decades (before fees), starting a new job is often a higher roi, real estate has a higher sharpe ratio over the last 100 years, private equity has a higher return before fees for decades, venture capital has beat the market consistently, starting a business frequently has a higher or even much higher roi, all these especially in absolute terms (nobody rich before 50 got that way from index fund returns).

To say “the index beats the active traders”, or that active traders lose everytime, or that it’s impossible to beat the market is just 1. Not relevant because it’s a vanity metric on its face, 2. Not strictly correct. It’s just said by people who want to convince themselves that the dominant strategy in investing also happens to be the easiest one for them. Index funds are about average returns - and thats ok! That’s probably best for any investor not looking to put in serious time or effort, but it’s certainly not the best strategy for maximizing returns (in fact, there are literally infinite strategies that have consistently beat the market on average for the entire duration of the exchange that don’t have foresight or overfit). The index itself is arbitrary: rank order the public equities by revenue, then select the top 500 and weight them by market cap. For the total market: you still chop off the companies that aren’t public arbitrarily, you still weight by market cap (why not volume? Why not weighted trade volume which correlated better with prices?).

As a parting note on this rant: the efficient market hypothesis is about determining fair value is an open system with minimal barriers and motivated rational players playing by the same rules with instantaneous info propagation. Do we all play by the same rules? Do we all have the same barriers? Are we all rational players? Is info propagated instantly? Are these values true enough? The market is efficient - except when it isn’t. Plenty of people succeed in business when the efficient market should have meant there was no opportunity for them, plenty get rich on trades when the efficient market says that trade shouldn’t exist. It’s paradoxical that the market can be perfectly efficient and those could be true, because even tiny risk-free profits should be consistently and equally arbitraged out of existence immediately. That just doesn’t describe our world.

Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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post #52

If you ignore things like $GME (which will eventually be regulated like the rest), traders keep their strategy a secret. Interested in knowing how this will pan out

Buy index fund, wait, profit. Not a secret and beats active traders every time.

No. It beats active traders most of the time. Many active traders vastly outperform it -- by over 2X before compounding -- over 20+ year periods, and not by luck. julian robertson, warren buffet, and ~100 of their proteges, as examples. Basically anytime a new understanding of markets which introduces the potential for profit is developed, there's a period of at least a decade or two when small funds can generate extremely outsized returns before it's arbitraged away. Just like in business.

Recommended reading: More Money Than God.

Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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Please stop with the icon menu bars. It is 2021, and people are still doing this. Why. Just stop. Arrrgh. Anyway, I absolutely love this idea! I signed up and am poking around now. I think I already like this more than Benzinga, Stocktwits, SeekingAlpha, you-name-it.

Hello joadha, your first paragraph comes across as ranty and even arrogant (i.e. implying you are the authority on UX choices). You offer no valid support for your argument.

I perceived it that way as well, but I have to partly agree.

Here's my reasoning: if someone just invented a new icon (created it from scratch and gave it a meaning), they should be aware that majority of their users will not understand the meaning of the icon, at least not at first.

Historical icons, such as a floppy disk or a cogwheel, are fair game. Creating new icons is dangerous territory, especially if you are hoping for your users to focus on the content, rather than getting familiar with your UI.

What do you think the following two icons (taken from utradea example) represent:

* A lightbulb with a dollar sign

* A deck of cards

Having to hover (which may or may not work on mobile), and actually clicking the icons and observing what happens, is not a good recipe for good UX. To read more about actual authority on UX, I recommend reading about Jakob Nielsen's 10 general principles[1] for interaction design.

[1] https://www.nngroup.com/articles/ten-usability-heuristics/

Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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Buy index fund, wait, profit. Not a secret and beats active traders every time.

No it doesn’t. The appeal of index funds is that they are perfectly average. Sure, beating the index every year is a challenge, but who cares about that? The game is making money turn into more money, not trying to get 1% more than the S&P for everyone except fund managers. Beating the index by a massive amount once pays for all the times you underperform it. Not to mention: hedge funds have beat the market very cons…

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Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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If you ignore things like $GME (which will eventually be regulated like the rest), traders keep their strategy a secret. Interested in knowing how this will pan out

Buy index fund, wait, profit. Not a secret and beats active traders every time.

Where did you get that impression? Point72, Renaissance, Berkshire Hathaway, etc. have all beat index funds over very long periods.

Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy index fund, wait, profit. Not a secret and beats active traders every time.

No it doesn’t. The appeal of index funds is that they are perfectly average. Sure, beating the index every year is a challenge, but who cares about that? The game is making money turn into more money, not trying to get 1% more than the S&P for everyone except fund managers. Beating the index by a massive amount once pays for all the times you underperform it. Not to mention: hedge funds have beat the market very cons…

>real estate has a higher sharpe ratio over the last 100 years

Does it really? Every home price index looks something like this: https://i.imgur.com/7fluMBz.png (If you can find a better one, please post it. This was just the first google result)

If you wanted to plot stock market returns on the same chart, you'd have to make the Y axis log scale. Meanwhile max drawdown isn't all that much higher for the stock market.

Re: Show HN: My cofounder and I created a social platform for investment ideas

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What is the plan to police/moderate the content to prevent scams? I think something like this works great when you know the people or at least believe that they have positive intent, but is hard to do right at scale (as WSB has experienced over the last few months).

Huh, I assumed scams ARE the content and the fluff needs to be added as cover.
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