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Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by eurasiantiger »

pvarangot wrote: post #137
ckosidows wrote: post #98

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Just coffee or anything with caffeine? I'm really curious for a source on this, considering how much coffee I drink weekly.

If caffeine does it for you and need lots of it, eating just caffeine is probably safer than drinking a lot of coffee. Coffee beans have a lot of of other stuff and it varies from bean to bean and eating a lot of some of that stuff may not be good for your gut/brain/whatever. If you are "addicted" to coffee sometimes you will crave it if you do just caffeine, but this goes away after a while. Be aware also that if yo…

There’s really no evidence that antioxidants are categorically good for you. Studies have found that some benefits of exercise are mediated through oxidative stress, and get impaired by antioxidant intake.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by eurasiantiger »

JCM9 wrote: post #114

There are lots of stories of the “I can work harder and longer than others because I require very little sleep” types having serious issues later in life. This study would seem to put some hard data behind this logic being a really bad idea for ones long term health and well being. The public discourse now seems to be shifting to one where “successful people prioritize sleep.”

I think those people already have serious issues and are escaping them through working.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by eurasiantiger »

JamesBarney wrote: post #97
eurasiantiger wrote: post #75

Many forms of dementia destroy dopaminergic neurons, and this process begins much earlier than symptoms of dementia itself manifest. From what I’ve gathered from reading studies across the years, less dopaminergic capacity seems to be associated with less restful sleep. The conclusions of this study seem to have it backwards. It’s not lack of sleep that causes dementia, it’s early dementia that causes insomnia. Edit:…

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20182054/#:~:text=In%20the%2... . this says coffee is associated with a reduced risk of dementia which is pretty much what I've read over and over again

That study conflates caffeine and coffee from the very first word in the abstract. I wouldn’t trust it at all — it’s like an article about CPUs but the writer doesn’t understand the difference between a processor (called CPU) and the rest of the stuff in the computer case (which, as a whole, is also called CPU).

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by tachyonbeam »

paulpauper wrote: post #102
tachyonbeam wrote: post #83

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People with amphetamine habits typically look very skinny and unhealthy because amphetamines suppress appetite. Same for cocaine, ritalin and all other dopaminergic stimulants. They can also have facial scabs because of obsessive picking/scratching, and tend to be very twitchy and hyper. He doesn't come off that way at all during interviews. My personal experience leads me to believe that there is no way Elon Musk co…

I dunno what his schedule is. Maybe he just seems busier than he actually is.

There's no way you can run all these companies, be an international celebrity, and not be busy.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by pvarangot »

gregf wrote: post #148
pvarangot wrote: post #138

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That little sleep has way more possible dire consequences that just dementia. There's literature all over the place about it, I don't even know where to start. How old are you? I don't know anyone that can live with getting that little sleep unless they are also on amphetamines.

Turning 40 in August. I haven't slept this badly all my life. It's got worse over the years. Specially the last 5 or so. I'm bipolar II, I take my meds as I'm supposed to, but I still seem to frequently cycle with manic episodes that keep me up working on projects all hours of the night. I then refuse to sleep all day, so I'll go to bed at say 3-4am and get up by 9am. Nights I can go to bed, I suffer from horrible sl…

I'm really sorry you have to live with that. Yeah few people understand how a manic episode works, that can definitely be masked as being a functional person but you are still harming yourself. Maybe it's time to change your medication? The brain changes as you age, maybe you can have a better quality of life if you try new stuff.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by _carbyau_ »

werdnapk wrote: post #104
bredren wrote: post #43

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I’m expecting my first child in June and have sort of been preparing for misery when it comes to sleep. I appreciate you sharing this.

3 kids in, aged 6, 4 and 2... 12 hours a night for all of them. I guess I did the "sleep training" thing, although all I did was what I thought was common sense stuff. Some things I did off the top of my head: - 15 min cry buffer. More than that and check diaper, or give a bottle/feeding. Never turn on the lights during these check-in times... always use a dim (soft colored light) night light that's already on to kee…

To further with some views on feeding:

1. breast pumping provided us appreciated flexibility. After a crappy one, we got a good breast pump that did both at once. Wife appreciated being untethered from child for her relief. I appreciated being able to feed child.

2. We weren't too worried when we switched to formula exclusively after a while. Sooo many people get hung up on "breast is best" dialogue. Best comment I heard was a Maternal Child Health nurse pointing at a school yard of kids saying "Can you tell me which was breast fed and which was formula?"

Ultimately though, you do you.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by werdnapk »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #156
werdnapk wrote: post #104

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3 kids in, aged 6, 4 and 2... 12 hours a night for all of them. I guess I did the "sleep training" thing, although all I did was what I thought was common sense stuff. Some things I did off the top of my head: - 15 min cry buffer. More than that and check diaper, or give a bottle/feeding. Never turn on the lights during these check-in times... always use a dim (soft colored light) night light that's already on to kee…

To further with some views on feeding: 1. breast pumping provided us appreciated flexibility. After a crappy one, we got a good breast pump that did both at once. Wife appreciated being untethered from child for her relief. I appreciated being able to feed child. 2. We weren't too worried when we switched to formula exclusively after a while. Sooo many people get hung up on "breast is best" dialogue. Best comment I h…

I think my kids were breast fed for 2-3 months and then another 1-2 months from frozen milk and finally a gradual move to formula by mixing the breast milk and formula so that there's no sudden transition if the child isn't used to the taste, etc.

No qualms at all about using formula within the first 4-6 months.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by gregf »

pvarangot wrote: post #155
gregf wrote: post #148

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Turning 40 in August. I haven't slept this badly all my life. It's got worse over the years. Specially the last 5 or so. I'm bipolar II, I take my meds as I'm supposed to, but I still seem to frequently cycle with manic episodes that keep me up working on projects all hours of the night. I then refuse to sleep all day, so I'll go to bed at say 3-4am and get up by 9am. Nights I can go to bed, I suffer from horrible sl…

I'm really sorry you have to live with that. Yeah few people understand how a manic episode works, that can definitely be masked as being a functional person but you are still harming yourself. Maybe it's time to change your medication? The brain changes as you age, maybe you can have a better quality of life if you try new stuff.

In the process of changing my meds again. Sadly they never last longer than 6 months to maybe a year. It's a frustrating process honestly. So, I tend to lie as to how well I'm doing just due to the fact I don't want to take a dive into a deep depression for months while they work out the kinks again. I guess the mania is better than the depression, even though I know it's unhealthy. Well they both are so, not sure what I can do till the science improves.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by heavyset_go »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #153
JamesBarney wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20182054/#:~:text=In%20the%2... . this says coffee is associated with a reduced risk of dementia which is pretty much what I've read over and over again

That study conflates caffeine and coffee from the very first word in the abstract. I wouldn’t trust it at all — it’s like an article about CPUs but the writer doesn’t understand the difference between a processor (called CPU) and the rest of the stuff in the computer case (which, as a whole, is also called CPU).

So I read the whole paper, and not just the abstract. The authors do not conflate caffeine and coffee in the meta-analysis, in fact, they cite several studies that document the association between coffee consumption and the reduced risk of cognitive decline.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Post by bredren »

werdnapk wrote: post #157
_carbyau_ wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To further with some views on feeding: 1. breast pumping provided us appreciated flexibility. After a crappy one, we got a good breast pump that did both at once. Wife appreciated being untethered from child for her relief. I appreciated being able to feed child. 2. We weren't too worried when we switched to formula exclusively after a while. Sooo many people get hung up on "breast is best" dialogue. Best comment I h…

I think my kids were breast fed for 2-3 months and then another 1-2 months from frozen milk and finally a gradual move to formula by mixing the breast milk and formula so that there's no sudden transition if the child isn't used to the taste, etc. No qualms at all about using formula within the first 4-6 months.

Thanks to you both.
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