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US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…

And yet New England has been in half of the last 10 years superbowls. Is it really as effective as you say? Aren't there like a dozen teams that haven't won in 30 years? Does that feel different than a smaller market Premier League fan?

I don't think I disagree with your basic point that feedback is important, but I don't think the NFL has it well solved either.

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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Club != Owners. The club is the people, the owners own the shares of the company. Your comment frames the situation as a "League Owner" vs "Club Owner" power struggle. That struggle is real, but it ignores the critical aspect that makes European football appealing: European football is about the clubs, the communities they represent, and cultural rivalry between communities. In essence Man City is Man City because th…

> In essence Man City is Man City because they are not Bolton I fully agree with the spirit of your comment but, to be fair, Manchester United is in Trafford, which is as much "Manchester" as Bolton is...

That’s not even remotely geographically correct.

And United’s first home wasn’t in Trafford.

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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If the US had relegation from baseball and football it would improve the sport. At the moment there is no penalty for coming last in the AFL or NFL :-) oh and next year you have first pick of the best new players

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_le... The NFL, MLB, and the NBA are all higher revenue sports than the EPL. Even the NHL brings in more revenue than every other sports league than the big 3 North American sports + EPL- 30% more than La Liga or Bundesliga. So if revenues for sports without relegation are so much greater than the revenues for sports with relegation, why would it improve the sp…

Now add up all the major leagues in Europe and sum it up again.

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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post #141

This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…

And yet New England has been in half of the last 10 years superbowls. Is it really as effective as you say? Aren't there like a dozen teams that haven't won in 30 years? Does that feel different than a smaller market Premier League fan? I don't think I disagree with your basic point that feedback is important, but I don't think the NFL has it well solved either.

s/New England/Tom Brady/

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

#145

This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…

The thing is there's excitement at both ends of the table in the PL and its continental counterparts. It's not just who wins the league, there's relegation as well, which is its own brutal drama.

Also I think people overestimate how much winning actually means. People support clubs whose heights were reached decades ago, not because they might miraculously win this year, but because the club is part of their life and the club's story is part of their story. It's like a soap opera, greatness comes and goes, but you keep watching. Club heroes are often not particularly good in a wider context, they're often of journeyman skill.

So in that sense there's something for everyone, even if the trophies are tied up in the top few clubs.

I do think some sort of more even distribution would make sense, though I think there are probably competition laws that would prevent a salary cap.

> If you are a Jaguars fan and your team is picking #1 in the draft next week after getting one win last season, you can realistically hope that you might be supporting a good team in a couple of years.

This creates really weird incentives. It was between them and the Jets, and people were saying the Jets were stupid for winning a game and losing Trevor Lawrence.

It's also its own can of worms, having unpaid athletes who are still essentially professionals rather than students, at universities who run a huge legally protected racket.

Why not do like in Europe and have clubs with teams that have age groups, genders, and second and third teams for all those categories? What's the idea in a bunch of professionals who come and go as dictated by money, but with the name of a specific place on their jerseys? In what sense are you truly representing a place if there's no community below the professionals?

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

#146
post #66

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In the "American system", in most major sports, individual players (and coaches, effectively) are relegated and promoted between the big league and smaller developmental leagues all the time. I don't love the American system but a failure to ensure that our top talent plays in the top leagues is not one of its deficiencies. In terms of meritocracy, I'd say it works at least as well as the European system. As an Ameri…

>the teams with huge amounts of cash win nearly every year. That's the thing I don't get about the opposition to this. Bayern has won the Bundesleague for a decade straight. Paris St Germaine is almost as dominant. Juventus the same in Serie A. La Liga flips between Real and Barca. Why not let these teams that have outclassed their competition go play in their own league? Let them chase the money and international ma…

Because these teams bring in the most money and if they go there is less money left for other teams

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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post #144
post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet New England has been in half of the last 10 years superbowls. Is it really as effective as you say? Aren't there like a dozen teams that haven't won in 30 years? Does that feel different than a smaller market Premier League fan? I don't think I disagree with your basic point that feedback is important, but I don't think the NFL has it well solved either.

s/New England/Tom Brady/

ok, so map that to Messi and FC Barcelona :)

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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post #51

Having UEFA people talk about how unethical, greedy and acting against football fans the new league is was almost as cringy as the YouTube CEO awarding herself a free speech price.

God, this comment has given me relief after 3 days of waiting someone to say this. HN delivers. I can't believe the hypocrisy of FIFA and UEFA and how everyone is making some moral case for being against the super league, when we know how insanely corrupt fifa and uefa are. It's an absolute joke how everyone is taking the moral high ground here.

Lots of people have been saying this on reddit throughout the whole affair

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

#149

This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…

Leicester.

Yes, a team bought by a foreign billionaire willing to spend money suddenly got good, so good they ended up winning it all. Great for fans of Leicester, but what about all the fans of, say, Bolton? That's a team where the ownership has fallen apart and the team is insolvent and is now down in the 4th tier. Sucks to be them.

What if I told you there was a magical way to make sure that all teams competing were on an equal financial footing?

Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

#150
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the "American system", in most major sports, individual players (and coaches, effectively) are relegated and promoted between the big league and smaller developmental leagues all the time. I don't love the American system but a failure to ensure that our top talent plays in the top leagues is not one of its deficiencies. In terms of meritocracy, I'd say it works at least as well as the European system. As an Ameri…

>the teams with huge amounts of cash win nearly every year. That's the thing I don't get about the opposition to this. Bayern has won the Bundesleague for a decade straight. Paris St Germaine is almost as dominant. Juventus the same in Serie A. La Liga flips between Real and Barca. Why not let these teams that have outclassed their competition go play in their own league? Let them chase the money and international ma…

Are you saying Arsenal is one of the top 12 teams in Europe?

The Super League was not about merit but rather brands recognition.

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