It's funny how they jump to blaming the Americans. Last I checked the Spanish clubs in this scheme weren't run by Americans.
well one of the masterminds behind it is JPMorgan Chase, American.
US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer
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Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer
#132This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…
Dunno about primier league but F1 not only put caps but also made some inverse feedback rules. For example now the rules are that your usage of wind tunnels is bigger the closest you are to the last place, while the first place in the ranking doesn't matter how much money they are willing to spend with wind tunnels, they are heavily capped.
We won't see the broader impact of these rules until the 2022 season of course when teams need to fully redesign their cars.
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Club != Owners. The club is the people, the owners own the shares of the company. Your comment frames the situation as a "League Owner" vs "Club Owner" power struggle. That struggle is real, but it ignores the critical aspect that makes European football appealing: European football is about the clubs, the communities they represent, and cultural rivalry between communities. In essence Man City is Man City because th…
> the communities they represent, and cultural rivalry between communities. This has always confused me: what's the connection between the community and the club? How does Man City 'represent' Manchester?
Clubs are heavily involved in their communities. They do a lot of charity and community work. Lots of players come through the club’s youth system, which usually contains a disproportionate number of local kids.
The history of the clubs and cities are intertwined. It’s just a massive cultural deal. Can’t properly explain it but the clubs are part of it people’s identity, which often they inherit from their parents.
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If the US had relegation from baseball and football it would improve the sport. At the moment there is no penalty for coming last in the AFL or NFL :-) oh and next year you have first pick of the best new players
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_le... The NFL, MLB, and the NBA are all higher revenue sports than the EPL. Even the NHL brings in more revenue than every other sports league than the big 3 North American sports + EPL- 30% more than La Liga or Bundesliga. So if revenues for sports without relegation are so much greater than the revenues for sports with relegation, why would it improve the sp…
The best music is also not the one that draws the higher revenues.
Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer
#135This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…
Leicester.
Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Club != Owners. The club is the people, the owners own the shares of the company. Your comment frames the situation as a "League Owner" vs "Club Owner" power struggle. That struggle is real, but it ignores the critical aspect that makes European football appealing: European football is about the clubs, the communities they represent, and cultural rivalry between communities. In essence Man City is Man City because th…
How many Man City players are actually from Manchester? I fail to see the connection to the local community.
In a recent game half of the Manchester United onfield players were local or academy players. Mostly local.
I’m so confused by this question. Do clubs in other sports not play a massive part in the community?
Manchester United did so much to help people in the pandemic. They have strong links with local charities. The footballers do a lot for charity. Rashford is an obvious superstar in that regard but it’s across the board.
Do American sports clubs not play a massive part in their community? I don’t get why this question keeps coming up. Of course the clubs are central institutions in their community...
Re: US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer
#137This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…
> This makes the sport more interesting to watch as a fan - it's not the same few contenders year in year out. I don't understand - isn't this backwards? It is the same few contenders in the NFL every year isn't it? But it isn't in the English football leagues where teams relegate and promote every year. When did a team last join the NFL? 2002? And before then? 1996? I think beyond that you're possibly talking about…
I think you are using the generic definition of "contenders" and not the way it is traditionally used in a sports context (at least in the US). "Contending" doesn't mean merely participating in a league. It means having a realistic shot at winning the title. The specific teams that are in the league don't change much in the NFL anymore, but the teams that are near the top of the league are much more fluid in the NFL than in the EPL and other European leagues.
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I love those stories and agree they are fun, but aren't they also very money-oriented most of the time? I know for example Cardiff City's renaissance and brief promotion to the Premier League corresponded with an influx of foreign cash. That's undeniably massive fun for supporters of Cardiff, but decidedly un-fun for teams that did not receive such an infusion of money, and in the end it doesn't make me too jealous o…
Not Leicester, as far as I know.
Yes. Leicester's rise through the system was a direct result of money being pumped in by their owner, a foreign billionaire.
They were purchased 5 years prior to winning the Premier League and immediately upgraded their sponsorships, facilities, staff, and players.
Did money make them win the premier league? No, but it couldn't have happened without it and it had nothing to do with meritocracy or the local community.
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> .. Players move between clubs all the time in football. > That doesn't make any sense whatsoever to an avid, European, football fan like me at least Can you explain how ownership of a player's rights works in European football? As a non-football fan from North America, I have always found it confusing when I hear about the huge fees it costs move a player, before his salary is even discussed, as I'm more familiar w…
The normal scenario is that a club signs a player up for X years. If another club fancy that player during the length of the contract period they negotiate with both the club and player to break that contract for a fee. If the contract expires, the player is free to sign for any club. Clubs usually make sure to not have important players on a soon-to-expire-contract, and if they do, they rather sell that player than…
What happens when the club wants to sell the player and the player does not agree to sign the contract with the new club, and vice-versa?