India’s second wave

Post by walshemj » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

wolfretcrap wrote: post #89

qart wrote: post #25

Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

>While they deserve their share of blame, the ordinary people have only made matters worse. Chin-mask, no-mask, herbal "remedies", religious gatherings, weddings, engagements, naming ceremonies... the list goes on. Culture does not change in a day even at desperate times. Government should ban gathering and events. Even my extended family is planning to attend a wedding despite huge risk in doing so, why? In India at…

Post by sorokod » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #102

hawk_ wrote: post #47

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haven't been keeping up with updates from there but what's with vaccinated people getting the disease? is that common there due double mutant variant(s)?

None of the vaccines are 100% effective. A 74% effective (at preventing symptoms) vaccine (like Oxford/AstraZeneca) means 26% of people can still get the disease (and likely some more can get infected, without getting disease symptoms). A 95% effective (at preventing symptoms) vaccine like the Pfizer/BioNTech one means 5% of people can still get symptoms (and likely some more can get infected, without getting disease…

Post by mattnewton » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

jnxx wrote: post #77

esperent wrote: post #36

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I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

> The only frustrating thing is how clearly it's been highlighted that the rich and powerful countries get all the vaccines and we'll only get them here once everyone in the west has been vaccinated three times over. One can only be ashamed about the state of things. There are NGOs which try to help, but this is clearly not enough. And it is dumb, too - we will not get rid of the virus until all countries work togeth…

Post by adrianN » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

collyw wrote: post #60

Clewza313 wrote: post #37

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HIV, malaria, and many other diseases endemic to the third world target people in the prime of life, wreaking havoc on families. By contrast, most (not all, but most) deaths from COVID are the elderly. Any mention of this tends to bring on "how dare you say one life is more valuable than another" downvotes, but since this thread is considering economic impact, it's a relevant factor.

Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK. The average age of death in the UK is 82). 60+ years of life lost versus a maybe 2 or 3.

Post by mnw21cam » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

Wildgoose wrote: post #79

thibran wrote: post #53

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Please differentiate more. The US and UK don't share, but the EU does. The egoism of some countries hurt the idea of a free and equal world a lot these days...

Absolutely not true. The UK Government paid for the AZ vaccine to be developed and then stipulated as part of the contract that it must be made available at cost to developing countries. The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries.