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Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by yardie »

addaon wrote: post #101
yardie wrote: post #84

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6502 -> 680x0 -> PPC601 -> x86_64 -> ARMv8.5 (Apple M1) Apple has a long, long history of pulling off well executed architecture changes. If you are a Apple computer shopper then you would know by now that by the time they release a new architecture, internally, that platform has long been retired for their internal users. It would have been an even bigger headline if Apple released the M1 and it didn't live up to ex…

6502 -> 680x0 -> PPC601 -> x86 -> x86_64 -> ARMv8.5 (Apple M1) The original Intel Mac's ran the 32-bit Core Duo, although a mid-season refresh took them to the (64-bit) Core 2 Duo. That generation of purely-32-bit hardware being out in the wild had some real impact on moving the OS forward, later down the road.

I completely forgot about the Core Duo Mac Mini!

We had purchased one, when 10.5 released. And it died shortly after to be replaced by the Core 2 Duo Mac Mini. The x86 era was so short I barely remembered it.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by sz4kerto »

andy_ppp wrote: post #29
yoz-y wrote: post #11

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> Never mind the whole issue with heat and battery life where AMD is miles behind. That's just false. AMDs newer U models have TDP and performance per watt at the same level as the M1. Apple has other advantages with the M1 (like running iOS programs, more optimised for their software and so on), so they still benefit from having their own chips. M1 is great, but it's not magic.

The AMD CPU wattage != Apple’s SOC including graphics card, large parts of the motherboard and memory. If you’re right where can I buy an AMD laptop with 20h battery life?

My M1 MBA lasts around 6 hours if I do a lot of Google Meet calls.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by dustinmoris »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #95
dividedbyzero wrote: post #45

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I wonder how many of those who got an M1 mac recently are aware of what exactly that means, besides that it's new and fast. I could imagine a large part of those sales to fall into the "I need a new computer, I'll get another Macbook Air" category. Those buyers wouldn't have much reason to care anyway; I guess you'd have to do pretty specialized work to really notice a big difference besides "cool" and "fast".

Friend of mine just got a new M1 13-inch MBP. He "likes" it, as opposed to "loves" it; because he doesn't actually care that much (he's not a tech nerd). He likes his iPad a lot more. He would probably feel the same way about a new Dell or Lenovo. It's just not that important to him. Computers are a "necessary evil." He's a musician, and he asked my advice, so he got a Mac. For myself, I am waiting on the M1X/M2, lat…

> He would probably feel the same way about a new Dell or Lenovo.

Not sure if this was ever true for someone who used a Mac before. Going to a Dell or Lenovo feels like a huge downgrade. Everything about these laptops feels cheap in comparison to a Mac. They are bigger, thicker, heavier, more plastic, hotter, and less elegant. Also the track pad and other screen on the Mac is so much better. Even if some Windows laptops come with a crazy high resolution, the OS looks shit on it and the user has to go into the Windows menu and play around with all the UX controls until the proportions of the start bar, windows and other UI elements somehow make sense on the high resolution again. Of course there is a million Windows apps still out there which don't scale at all. I cannot imagine that a user who was on Mac for more than a year could go back to Dell or Lenovo and feel excited about it. Now with the M1 the contrast is even worse. I have an M1 and Intel MBP and even going back to the Intel MBP feels really crappy because I need to charge my device when working for a full day. I got so used to the M1 not needed a single charge during the day that it's really odd to think about how other laptops still do. I treat my M1 like my iPhone. I plug it in over night, that's all it needs.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by xyst »

dkarp wrote: post #13

M1 is amazing and I bought my partner one and she loves it. However, when it came to buying a new engineer on our team a laptop, we had to go with the last 2020 Intel model. We still have some uncertainty over whether or not our development tools/environment will work on M1. Many python packages will take longer to install I imagine (if there are no wheels for the M1 mac, not sure if that's an issue) and I suspect so…

This x100

Will currently rock my 2017 MBP until it shits the bed. While there have been huge strides in getting tools compatible with apple's ARM, I am not a fan of spending huge amounts of efforts to get a tool(s) to work on something that was already working sufficiently enough on x86.

Plus, I imagine in most corporate environments M1 will break many internal tools making it nearly impossible to access protected resources.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by klelatti »

js2 wrote: post #129
klelatti wrote: post #126

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Indeed . You could run Apple II software on an add in card though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe_Card

I thought about mentioning it but that doesn't really count as a transition like the others. You could not even run the card and MacOS simultaneously: > When emulating the Apple IIe, only a full-screen mode is available and all native Macintosh functions are suspended while running (a proprietary graphical control panel, running outside MacOS, is available for configuring the virtual Apple II slots and peripherals; h…

Agreed. It is sort of helping users to make the move though.

It's almost like a reverse transition: instead of getting a new cpu and making it work with the old ecosystem and software you take an old cpu and software and and get it to work with the new hardware (I know the analogy isn't perfect!)

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by hatsunearu »

bayindirh wrote: post #83
dividedbyzero wrote: post #45

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I wonder how many of those who got an M1 mac recently are aware of what exactly that means, besides that it's new and fast. I could imagine a large part of those sales to fall into the "I need a new computer, I'll get another Macbook Air" category. Those buyers wouldn't have much reason to care anyway; I guess you'd have to do pretty specialized work to really notice a big difference besides "cool" and "fast".

I'm using an M1 MacBook Air right now. It's more nuanced than speed. That thing's responses are insane. It's an insanely fast computer which wakes up like an iPhone and has an endurance like a vintage, entry level Nokia phone. It's ready to work before I finish opening up the screen and, they forgot to tell the battery that it needs to deplete after some time. It doesn't matter for ordinary people to know all the coo…

I watch youtube before I sleep (I know, bad habit :P) and sometimes I forget to put it on charge before I start watching, and when I fall asleep, youtube autoplay continues to play random crap over and over (usually ends up with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKAblynZYhI somewhere in the chain)

OK the point is, more often than not I've woken up in the morning with youtube still playing. Absolutely insane.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by chrisfinazzo »

stetrain wrote: post #128
chrisfinazzo wrote: post #87

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In some ways, it reminds me of the Intel transition in that regular consumers might not have been aware that this move was coming until they saw it in front of their eyes. I often see that transition dated to 2006 at MacWorld, but the reality is that it was previewed at WWDC the previous year and there was only a minor spec bump to - I think - one model before the iMacs appeared to kick things off. On a related note,…

Regular people also don't really understand much about how cars work, and they love that modern ones start with the push of a button and that they don't have to fiddle with the carburetor or the choke to get it going.

Yes, however...

The problem space is much smaller and with each big shift in hardware and software, we've missed the opportunity to do this well.

A rough timeline: Desktops, the Internet, Laptops, and - for probably the last decade - Mobile. Is "Ambient" next?, I'm not sure, that seems like it carries other baggage along with it.

It may look like an appliance, but it certainly doesn't work like one, and if users had just a bit more knowledge about it, I wouldn't feel like we're going back to square one with each step forward in technology.

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Post by krrrh »

mumblemumble wrote: post #88
dividedbyzero wrote: post #45

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I wonder how many of those who got an M1 mac recently are aware of what exactly that means, besides that it's new and fast. I could imagine a large part of those sales to fall into the "I need a new computer, I'll get another Macbook Air" category. Those buyers wouldn't have much reason to care anyway; I guess you'd have to do pretty specialized work to really notice a big difference besides "cool" and "fast".

ARM Windows laptops have been around for a while, and have not taken off. Some of that could be that these computers don't represent a shift in the wind - x86 remains the primary architecture for Windows. But I think that another big part of it is that every review of a Windows ARM laptop is full of caveats. Some programs will run slower, some programs won't run at all. Knowing which is which requires technical knowl…

The decade of hand wringing about Tim Cook’s deficiencies as CEO compared to Steve Jobs have got to be put to rest by even the biggest skeptics. The timing, execution, and scale of this transition has been so well done.

Re: Apple Now Selling More M1 Macs Than Intel-Based Models, Says Tim Cook

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Post by yepthatsreality »

haswell wrote: post #14

I see a myriad of comments that boil down to “duh”, but I think these comments are missing the point. Consider an alternate possibility: “sales of Apple’s new ARM macs outpaced by older models”. Had Apple not knocked M1 out of the park, this was a real possibility. Is it surprising that a well executed architecture change is now selling well? Not really. But the more interesting point is that the rest of the market a…

BS, there is no reality where the M1 failed with a company like Apple. They have too much loyalty for people to even consider other options. So much in fact that no one can be convinced of its flaws it’s all “Apple knocked it out of the park, most things work!”

We all know “most things” is subjective to how you use your PC.

Tell me a world where that wouldn’t ever happen and I’ll consider your Intel leading model scenario.

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