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Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by sascha_sl »

judge2020 wrote: post #326
sascha_sl wrote: post #217

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The Discord subreddit has a few threads about this, but it has always been an open secret back when the Discord Developers guild still existed. I'm pretty sure it got axed because some staff members got too memey about abusing their database access.

So Discord has the same issue should be Discord had the same issue - I also can't find any mention of such abuse of power. The only thing is supposedly this Trust & Safety employee that revoked the vanity url /furry to give it to another server[0], and T&S needs full database access like that for obvious reasons (even if this employee did abuse it). 0: https://discord.news/trust-and-scam/

That's one incident. I'm talking about a pattern of behavior where staff members act unprofessionally. That includes telling your users "I can just change your ID lol" even if they don't end up doing it.

Discord didn't fire the person who was joking about database edits the most (or anyone to my knowledge). All they did was close the outlet for staff to show their badge off and brag about it. That doesn't fix anything, my assumption is that this is still going in.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by steveklabnik »

welterde wrote: post #449
steveklabnik wrote: post #277

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When you're playing games, it can mean that people can DDOS you, or otherwise just like, send bad stuff your way. Both of the solutions you have still disrupt the game, even if they do temporarily solve the issue.

Not sure how using discord really solves the evil admin scenario though? Since the game server admin will still be able to see your IP Address. I really have a hard time imagining a scenario where I can trust the game server admin, but not the admin hosting my voice server. Especially if it's some team-based game.

I am not saying Discord solves this problem, I am just saying it’s a real problem.

Also, not every game that uses Discord has the “server admin” model. Most of the games I play do not. Still use Discord though.

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Post by steveklabnik »

denkmoon wrote: post #433
steveklabnik wrote: post #374

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Sure, but that doesn't help you in the midst of it. It's also like, sort of kind of not how social games work in many cases. In order to make friends in the first place, you gotta get out there.

Do you want to be friends with people in a community where having the admin look up your IP and ddos you is acceptable???

Imagine I want to go out tonight. None of my friends do. So I go to a new place and start talking to people at the bar. One of them stabs me.

No, I do not want to be friends with those people. But I don’t know that yet, because we have not met. The only way to meet them is to... meet them.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by Topgamer7 »

serf wrote: post #263
Topgamer7 wrote: post #198

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Or someone with knowledge could port scan you and actually attack you to gain a foothold in your network.

with the amount of automated systems out there port-scanning IP ranges for vulnerabilities, being on discord with one (a vulnerability), even if discord exposed IPs, is not much more dangerous than just sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting for a bot to hit your IP. The risk of personal identification due to IP I can buy into; the risk that your already public IP may be exposed to a do-bad-criminal who wants t…

Don't underestimate the skill and ingenuity of pissed off 15 year olds.

With near unlimited time on their hands, and an information rich internet, they can find how to start pentesting.

Blind devotion to a cause and a flexible mind can overcome many problems.

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Post by vehementi »

herbst wrote: post #432
vehementi wrote: post #366

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Discord doesn't have particularly amazing technology, what do you mean?

They combined a lot of things others were doing well too and combined it into a resource hungry piece of software. I too am not really impressed

It's not that they didn't do it well or anything, and they've clearly scaled up to this insane load but they aren't afaik using crazy algorithms or something special like that. They just did the obvious "we'll have a hosted app that does this AND this"

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Post by lacker »

hkmurakami wrote: post #357
lacker wrote: post #329

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okay oldie... when I was in high school if you wanted to talk to your friends while playing games with them you both needed a second phone line, so your 56k modems could use the other line to play Doom

Did you have to reconnect to EarthLink multiple times until it gave you 56k instead of 24 or 32? That was living wild baby!!

We didn't have Earthlink, we would dial the other person's modem directly and play Doom 1v1.

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Post by jrm4 »

Dangeranger wrote: post #391
jrm4 wrote: post #249

Higher ed instructor here. I've been teaching online for well over a decade, frequently subjected to the Blackboards and the Canvases and lately Zoom. I can name no tool that has improved what I do from when I started except Discord. I'm old-ish, so it was a bit hard to get to at first, but after some time with it, I'd replace everything with it if I could. (And this is coming from a big time free/open source guy! I'…

Can you talk about your instructional workflow a bit more and how you replaced your former tools?

Most of the comment was intended to say, I would replace everything if I could.

But the biggest benefit by far has been groupwork. As far as I see, pretty much all of the big synchronous players (Zoom, Collaborate, etc) and asynchronous (all the LMS's) work atrociously if you're dealing with anyone who isn't a toddler -- which is to say, they are all too centralized and top-down.

E.g. - In real-life groupwork, I would tell them with words to go to their rooms or to sit in groups, and they would take themselves there.

In most of these goofy systems, I am personally responsible to "physically" place people in rooms, even if they disconnect or whatever. It's ridiculous.

Now, I do all my group work in Discord. I make however many text and voice rooms, and tell them to go there. I don't even worry about the "roles" part, because, again, my students aren't toddlers.

Bonus, of course -- these sub rooms plus a main room, available at all hours, facilitates interaction between students as well as with me. Contrast to most of the LMS which are both clunky AND frequently have policies against non-school chatter (which, in the age of online teaching is asinine.)

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Post by remram »

ed312 wrote: post #293
remram wrote: post #286

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One thing that would probably be welcome is some builtin support for threads. On the Python discord for example, there is a system of help channels which get assigned to the first person talking in it and returned to the pool after 30min of inactivity or once the problem has been solved. A bot keeps a few channels in a "free" pool, marks some as "occupied", and moves the surplus to a "dormant" section for UX purposes…

Personally I think threads ruin conversation flow. If you want to have an in-depth conversation about a topic limited to a few people, you should either open up another channel or do a DM. Just my opinion, but I hate Slack threads and love Discord's system.

The point is not to break a single conversation into multiple threads, it is to split a single conversation away from the other conversations happening simultaneously in your #help channel. Effectively creating a channel, without having to bug a mod to get a new channel for your 5min conversation.

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Post by remram »

judge2020 wrote: post #318
lmm wrote: post #305

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Slack became a much worse experience when they added full threads IMO. Discord's new approach of allowing you to reply to a specific message, but not outright fork the channel, is a much better compromise.

this - Discord's approach of allowing you to reply, but having the message show up in the regular conversation flow keeps the feel of an actual conversation. Screenshot of a reply: https://support.discord.com/hc/article_attachments/360099599... (from https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057382374-R... )

You are assuming that the traffic is low enough that "a single conversation flow" is happening, or (like in your example) that multiple people reply to a single post.

If you have enough people talking past each other, even with the reply feature, it becomes a huge mess. Having a way to only show the messages that are replying to you while you troubleshoot a specific issue is what a thread view enables.

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