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Post by laurent92 »

person101x wrote: post #377
eecc wrote: post #362

> I will not be sending any more patches due to the attitude that is not only unwelcome but also intimidating to newbies and non experts. Woah, this attempt to incite wokes and cancellers is particularly pernicious.

Cancel Linux! Anyone?

One may wonder whether the repetitive attacks against Linus on the tone he’s using, until he had to take a break, isn’t a way to cut down Linux’ ability to perform by cutting its head, which would be absolutely excellent for closed-source companies and Amazon.

Imagine: If Linux loses its agility, we may have to either “Use Windows because it has continued upgrades” or “purchase Amazon’s version of Linux” which would be the only ones properly maintained and thus certified for, say, government purpose or GDPR purpose.

(I’m paying Debian but I’m afraid that might not be enough).

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Post by amir734jj »

alexfromapex wrote: post #420
rincebrain wrote: post #275

Prior discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887670

Here's the research article linked there, for those interested: https://github.com/QiushiWu/QiushiWu.github.io/blob/main/pap...

Please correct me if I'm wrong. So he (PhD student) was introducing bad code as part of research? And publishes a paper to show how he successfully introduced bad code.

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Post by dylan604 »

coward76 wrote: post #327

Make an ethics complaint with the state and get their certification and charter pulled.

That's a worse death sentence than SMU's for paying players. Even the NCAA didn't kill the school, just the guilty sport program. You're asking the state to pull entire university's charter for a rogue department? Sure, pull the CS department, but I'm sure the other schools at the university had absolutely zero culpibility.

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Post by slver »

arkh wrote: post #342

> I will not be sending any more patches due to the attitude that is not only unwelcome but also intimidating to newbies and non experts. Maybe not being nice is part of the immune system of open source.

Honestly WTF would a "newbie and non-expert" have to do with sending KERNEL PATCHES.

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Post by hpoe »

ltfish wrote: post #413

Some clarifications since they are unclear in the original report. - Aditya Pakki (the author who sent the new round of seemingly bogus patches) is not involved in the S&P 2021 research. This means Aditya is likely to have nothing to do with the prior round of patching attempts that led to the S&P 2021 paper. - According to the authors' clarification [1], the S&P 2021 paper did not introduce any bugs into Linux kerne…

It doesn't matter. I think this is totally appropriate. A group of students are submitting purposely buggy patches? It isn't the kernels team to sift through and distinguish they come down and nuke the entire university. This sends a message to any other University thinking of a similar stunt you try this bull hockey you and your entire university are going to get caught in the blast radius.

In short "f** around, find out"

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Post by alpaca128 »

beshrkayali wrote: post #335

This seems like a pretty scummy way to do "research". I mean I understand that people in academia are becoming increasingly disconnected from the real world, but wow this is low. It's not that they're doing this, I'm sure they're not the first to think of this (for research or malicious reasons), but having the gall to brag about it is a new low.

> having the gall to brag about it is a new low

Even worse: They bragged about it, then sent a new wave of buggy patches to see if the "test subjects" fall for it once again, and then tried to push the blame on the kernel maintainers for being "intimidating to newbies".

This is thinly veiled and potentially dangerous bullying.

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