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Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”

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I just want you to know that this is extremely unethical to create a paper where you attempt to discredit others by just using your university's reputation to try to create vulnerabilities on purpose.

I back your decision and fuck these people. I will additionally be sending a strongly worded email to this person, their advisor and their whoever's in charge of this joke of a computer science school. Sometimes I wish we had the ABA equivalent for computer science.

Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”

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post #286

How is such a ban going to be effective? The "researchers" could easily continue their experiments using different credentials, right?

Thus moving from merely unethical to actually fraudulent? Although from the email exchanges it seems they are already making fraudulent statements...

At least it might prompt the University to take action against the researchers.

Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”

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post #286

How is such a ban going to be effective? The "researchers" could easily continue their experiments using different credentials, right?

The ban is aimed more at the UMN dept overseeing the reserach than at preventing continued "experiments." I imagine it would also make continued experiments even more unethical.

Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”

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post #286

How is such a ban going to be effective? The "researchers" could easily continue their experiments using different credentials, right?

> How is such a ban going to be effective?

It trashes University of Minnesota in the press. What is going to happen is that the president of the university now is going to hear about it, so will the provost and so will people in charge of doling money. That will rapidly fix the professor problem.

While people may think that tenure professors get to do what they want, they never win in a war with a president and a provost. That professor is toast. And so are his researchers

Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”

#299

How does something like this get through IRB - I always felt IRB was over the top - and then they approve something like this? UMN looks pretty shoddy - the response from the researcher saying these were automated by a tool looks like a potential lie.

They obtained an "IRB-exempt letter" because their IRB found that this was not human research. It's quite likely that the IRB made this finding based on a misrepresentation of the research during that initial stage; once they had an exemption letter the IRB wouldn't be looking any closer.

Re: “They introduce kernel bugs on purpose”

#300

Linux maintainers should log a complaint with the University's ethics board. You can't just experiment on people without consent.

One of the other emails in the chain says they already did.

> This is not ok, it is wasting our time, and we will have to report this, AGAIN, to your university...

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