Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft • Hacker News Board

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by anticensor » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:21 AM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #44

devwastaken wrote: post #34

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They have users. If they wanted to they could become the next Steam tomorrow by simply selling games and giving deals. The engaged userbase of discord far surpasses steam, epic, and all other gaming clients. Valve doesn't care about competing or innovating, theyll simply roll over and let it happen. But like any startup discord is created with monopoly money and therefore they don't have any actual knowledge, experti…

> simply selling games and giving deals They already did try that, and they also then tried pivoting to subscription model (a la Gamepass), both failed and eventually they closed their game store entirely. You could argue that maybe they tried it too soon, but I don't think so. The competition is kinda big with Microsoft, Steam and Epic. I don't think people want to own games on their chat app.

The game store is still open. They just do not accept more paid games due to understaffing.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by anticensor » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 9:30 AM UTC

pndy wrote: post #168

Varriount wrote: post #28

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What would the outlook be if Discord was bought by Microsoft?

They'd probably turn this IM into family friendly safe bay with strictly moderated content - because let's be honest, nowadays anything goes in. Discord accounts at first would be offered an optional merge with MSA and in long time, you'd have to log into using MSA credentials only. Microsoft Discord branding would arrive. There would be a business oriented version created and MS would abandon Teams; basic Discord wo…

Discord Nitro is the per-user subscription feature of Discord.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by Siira » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:16 AM UTC

fish45 wrote: post #77

Speaking as an 18 y.o. doing my first year college online, I wouldn't have made it through quarantine without Discord. I've a server with my high school friends and since Discord lowers the barrier to join a voice call so much it's super chill to just hop in a channel when doing homework or playing a game or whatever else, and anyone else who's free can join. I really wish there were competition, but there's nothing…

Telegram groups' voice chat seems pretty similar.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by toastal » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 12:43 PM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #338

tru3_power wrote: post #317

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The voice chat rooms reminds me exactly of this program called Ventrillo or “vent” as we used to call it back when I was in high school. I’m officially old! https://www.ventrilo.com/

I remember I first heard about Discord as a Vent/Teamspeak/Raidcall competitor, and I'm pretty sure that was intended from the beginning.

I remember this too but we stuck to Mumble because it was lighter on system resources

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by junon » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 12:58 PM UTC

sbagel wrote: post #341

judge2020 wrote: post #330

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Maybe in 2019 it was different but you can disable almost all of it in settings. https://i.judge.sh/caring/Derpy/Discord_AsIcI0l9B8.png

These options do not disable executable logging. That information is still collected with all data collections options disabled.

Sources please. second time you've claimed this and many have objected that they do this.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by alickz » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

tru3_power wrote: post #317

fish45 wrote: post #77

Speaking as an 18 y.o. doing my first year college online, I wouldn't have made it through quarantine without Discord. I've a server with my high school friends and since Discord lowers the barrier to join a voice call so much it's super chill to just hop in a channel when doing homework or playing a game or whatever else, and anyone else who's free can join. I really wish there were competition, but there's nothing…

The voice chat rooms reminds me exactly of this program called Ventrillo or “vent” as we used to call it back when I was in high school. I’m officially old! https://www.ventrilo.com/

Vi sitter i Ventrilo och spelar DotA

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by pndy » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

anticensor wrote: post #462

pndy wrote: post #168

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They'd probably turn this IM into family friendly safe bay with strictly moderated content - because let's be honest, nowadays anything goes in. Discord accounts at first would be offered an optional merge with MSA and in long time, you'd have to log into using MSA credentials only. Microsoft Discord branding would arrive. There would be a business oriented version created and MS would abandon Teams; basic Discord wo…

Discord Nitro is the per-user subscription feature of Discord.

Yes, but Microsoft would probably prefer to offer such subscription among own plans - like 356, and that would also happen after Discord would get Microsoft branding. It's a pure guess of course but I think it could happen.

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by vimacs2 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

fuzzy2 wrote: post #115

donkarma wrote: post #3

Considering the state of Teams they really needed Discord for their amazing technology of actually being semi responsive

But the main problem with Teams is its low-performance GUI (Electron-based). And from what I hear about Discord, it's the same there. There's other minor problems like insane chat latency, but I can work with that. Voice and Video generally works fine.

That is absolutely not "the main problem" with Teams. It's UI is not very well thought out at all and notifications work with the reliability of a rooster on ketamine.

The only three value propositions Teams has over Discord are:

* Support for threads - albeit again very inelegantly.

* The ability to embed web apps as tabs in a Teams page - this is my favourite feature

* Integration with Office 365

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by 2iP1zbR » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

welterde wrote: post #445

2iP1zbR wrote: post #187

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this is true, but also goes for every internet-connected service that i choose to use, as far as my IP address goes i've been invited to random, huge discord servers to play just one game, and after the games over i usually leave the server unless i know everybody. i never have to worry about the server admin or one of his buddies deciding they didn't like me for whatever reason and DDOSing the shit out of me for wee…

The game server admin also sees your IP address though? So unless you are only hanging out on discord and not actually playing you are still exposing your IP address. Also only the voice server admin sees the IP address and not every user on the server, so your scheme wouldn't really work either.

yes, i should have said "the voice server admin records the IP address" instead

i think game servers are a different subject, and they have their own buffet of problems

Re: Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft

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Post by sascha_sl » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

anticensor wrote: post #450

sascha_sl wrote: post #202

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Discord has the same issue, essentially everyone who works in a somewhat technical role has access to their moderation tools that have zero auditing and reports of abuse (reading people's DMs "as a joke") are not uncommon. Discord also refuses to delete any data you give them. Deleting a Discord account sets a lockout flag, changes the nickname to "Deleted User" and resets the avatar to default. That's it. They don't…

However, individually deleting messages using their API does delete them from their servers[0]. [0]: https://blog.discord.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-mess...

It does, but that is not always an option. What if you shared personal information on a server you no longer have access to? Your only option is to wait a week for your data export and then wait another 2-3 weeks for a support ticket to get to the stage of threatening Discord into actually removing individual messages. What if you're being stalked? What if you said something incridebly dumb on a server you assumed was limited to very specific people? A month to removal is untenable. Discord needs searchable dashboard that allows one-click removal.

Discord considers all servers public, not because they actually are (many are for friend groups or even classes etc.), but because that'd mean your consent for keeping any message you send is in question whenever someone is invited to a guild you were not expecting there. Their argument against removal is always "following public conversations is in the public interest". Any European court would tell them to fuck off if someone finally sued them over ignoring GDPR requests, because in the end most Discord servers (absolute numbers, not by volume) can not be considered public.