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The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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post #25

Instapaper stores only salted SHA-1 hashes of passwords, so those are relatively safe. -- Obligatory statement on NEVER USING SHA-1 HASHES to make passwords "safe". Any normal person can brute force millions of SHA-1 hashes (salted however much you want) per second on a GPU. If the FBI so wanted (although I don't believe they do) I'm sure they could brute force almost every single password in that database. Granted,…

Can you describe why it's better?

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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I think it may be prudent to begin encrypting all data on disk that can reasonably be encrypted while being able to set up the server remotely so that no one can just snatch your server and get all your data. This could work by encrypting your database in a truecrypt volume that must be mounted by entering the password. Thus, the data is only ever saved on disk in encrypted form, and the key to access the data is not…

I suspect this would only be reasonably applicable if you manage to reduce disk accesses to the very minimum. I'm not very familiar with these setups, but I assume they slow down disk accesses quite a lot.

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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Surely there is a legal precedent which provides at least some framework for what can or cannot be seized during a warrant search? This can't be the first time government agents have mistakenly seized property in an otherwise lawful search. Also, while I completely understand Instapaper's unwillingness to pursue this through the courts, that is the way our legal system is structured. If you believe you have been harm…

It's called the constitution of the United States. If the enforcers don't follow it, your only recourse is the Supreme Court which will probably throw out your claim for national security reasons.

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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post #6

I'm trying to think of an analogy which can explain why this might be reasonable from the FBIs perspective. Suppose you were using a shared storage space (shared servers, or server farm) with several other dudes. One of them is a drug dealer. One day the police/FBI decide to raid the storage space since the drug dealer has been using it to store illegal drugs. Is it not reasonable to consider this collateral damage (…

this is not shared hosting. the server taken belonged to instapaper. being located in the same datacenter should not be grounds for seizure.

if you're looking for a metaphor, think about a self-storage facility ([one of these places](http://www.moversandpackers.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/s...). imagine you're renting one of those units, and somebody renting a unit on the other side of the yard is a drug dealer. the FBI comes in, and in the process of seizing the assets of the drug dealer across the yard, they also seize all the stuff in your storage unit. There is no way that is reasonable.

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

#36
post #25

Instapaper stores only salted SHA-1 hashes of passwords, so those are relatively safe. -- Obligatory statement on NEVER USING SHA-1 HASHES to make passwords "safe". Any normal person can brute force millions of SHA-1 hashes (salted however much you want) per second on a GPU. If the FBI so wanted (although I don't believe they do) I'm sure they could brute force almost every single password in that database. Granted,…

> can brute force millions

Modern consumer video cards can do billions per second now. You might as well just store them in plaintext instead of using SHA1/MD5 with or without salting. :/

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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I think it may be prudent to begin encrypting all data on disk that can reasonably be encrypted while being able to set up the server remotely so that no one can just snatch your server and get all your data. This could work by encrypting your database in a truecrypt volume that must be mounted by entering the password. Thus, the data is only ever saved on disk in encrypted form, and the key to access the data is not…

How fast is Truecrypt? How much would this slow down database and file access?

I don't know. It would obviously slow down database access. It would be nice if someone tested this.

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

#38

I think it may be prudent to begin encrypting all data on disk that can reasonably be encrypted while being able to set up the server remotely so that no one can just snatch your server and get all your data. This could work by encrypting your database in a truecrypt volume that must be mounted by entering the password. Thus, the data is only ever saved on disk in encrypted form, and the key to access the data is not…

I don't think this is reasonable. If you lose power, the the volume is toast as I understand it.

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

#39
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Even if it was shared space, it should be possible to, through software and IT, extract the necessary data and bar it from further operation.

I don't think the IT skill required to reliably extract evidence from an arbitrary hosting operation (of potentially arbitrary complexity) is simply "on tap" for the FBI. If you want to say "tough luck that's just what it costs to collect evidence in 2011", fine, but it's probably not fair to say that the FBI should just naturally have that capability.

Yeah well, actions like this give the image of fat guys in suits who hunt and peck at the keyboard and move icons around on the desktop to find where they are hiding that dang data.

Re: The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Even if it was shared space, it should be possible to, through software and IT, extract the necessary data and bar it from further operation.

I think it's always important to remember that the first order of business in a raid is to preserve evidence against deletion or modification. This means that their first task is to remove the hardware from anybody's hands but theirs. At which point they can peruse the data as they are able. Why did they take an entire rack, instead of a few servers? I can think of a couple of potential reasons. - VM's, which could p…

No, the first order of business is to stay within the bounds of the law. It does not matter how solid your chain of evidence is if that evidence is illegally obtained.
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