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The money behind big tech has mastered manipulating demand and that is exactly what you are seeing in the Ethereum/NFT ecosystem. It is one giant fraud bankrolled by unlimited capital that can artificially increase prices at which point there becomes demand from people in fear of missing out, once the early capital has the suckers locked in the prices plateau at first as the capital stops buying and driving the price…
I struggle to have any sympathy for "the little guy". Noone's lying to them, noone's defrauding them, noone's stealing anything or embezzling from them. It's just greed, plain and simple. If you pile into a get-rich-quick scheme but end up holding the bag in, then more fool you. I still think it should probably be regulated to prevent idiots from losing their life savings. But I won't pretend the losers are ethically…
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#192- Proof of stake has serious flaws if done from scratch, as you are trying to secure a network using value created out of thin air. Ethereum is migrating to proof of stake from proof of work, and has already built up a security pool of over $200bn USD market cap and a significant amount of activity. ETH as the native asset required for proof of stake has enough security pool to allow the migration to make sense.
- "You have been talking about proof of stake for years, wake me up when it happens". We launched proof of stake on December 1st, 2020 https://www.coindesk.com/valid-points-ether-staked-eth-2-0-q.... This runs as a parallel chain that users deposit ETH into to participate in consensus via a bridge contract. The next step is to merge the current Ethereum chain to use this new chain's consensus, and we are working on this to happen late this year.
- "There is a vibrant developer community, but for what? All speculation?" Yes, speculation was and is ever present in this new technology given how permissionless it is. This means anyone around the world can interact with the blockchain without a gatekeeper. However, there is an incredible amount of financial innovation happening on Ethereum that didn't even exist back in 2017. Really well-thought out stablecoins, flash loans (which are a blockchain native concept), automated market makers such as Uniswap which had more trading volume than Coinbase https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/79775/uniswap-coinbase.... We have privacy technologies such as Aztec Protocol or Tornado Cash. We have zero-knowledge proof games such as DarkForest. What makes me personally excited is that Ethereum is like this global, shared computer where every application deployed immediately opens a composable API for others to interact with by design, creating infinite possibilities.
- Ethereum's development is far more decentralized today than it was years ago. Ethereum proof of stake was developed by 4 independent teams, unaffiliated with the Ethereum Foundation, and had a successful launch this past December 1st, 2020, and no, Vitalik cannot roll back the chain.
- "Some other blockchain already had proof of stake and have been running for years". What makes Ethereum proof of stake special is it takes no compromises between decentralization, security, and scalability. At the base layer of the blockchain, Ethereum uses really neat cryptography known as BLS signatures (https://medium.com/cryptoadvance/bls-signatures-better-than-...), which allow for signature aggregation at scale. This means there can hundreds of thousands or millions of consensus participants with minimal network overhead, compared to other chains which have a permissioned set of I urge everyone here to look deeper into Ethereum for what it offers and look at the depth of innovation happening in this ecosystem. Happy to answer any questions, as there seems to be a lot of misinformation.
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The government is an investor. If the government buys enough bonds at X% interest rate, that is the market rate.
Sorry, that's not how it works. The governments runs an auction where the bonds are sold to investors. That sets the market rate. The government would not buy its own bonds in the auction (it wouldn't make sense) and cannot force investors to buy the bonds at a particular rate.
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> Yes you need to know now but in 10 years my mum will use these things without having any idea what they are Sure but she will use the Spotify app or the Sotheby app to buy NFTs Spotify and Sotheby on the other hand they will not even use a blockchain. Just like Coinbase doesn't use a blockchain This whole decentralization mania solely work when people are are terribly scared of something: Government diluting their…
I disagree. Decentralization makes it possible to cut out the middle man, Sotheby is no longer needed to do art deals, you can buy directly via smart contract. Will some people buy via Sotheby's still because they provide value in curating items? Sure but they will have much more competition than they do now. It also makes new things possible, for instance the original artist could get a cut of every resale of his ar…
The middleman is a social necessity, not solely a technical one. Retail doesn't want the responsibility. Is that simple, so enter the middleman there to absorb risk.
A protocol can't be a middleman. A middleman should be capable of being sued and be the fall guy if something goes wrong. Mostly it should be there to give peace of mind to the customer.
A protocol can't give peace of mind to the customer given that such code can't be read by 99.99999999999% of the population.
The middleman needs to exist to give peace of mind to the customer, and as I said it can't be a protocol. So it can only be a company with a brand, spending millions in Ads to earn the trust of the consumer so that he'd feel confident to put his money in it and in turn can sleep tight at night, knowing that his money are with an institution which is somehow trustworthy.
Nobody in the crypto world ever makes a market study or a revenue projection, or even a survey among the population and users.
People go and build stuff. Projecting themselves into the retail user. The only problem is that the crypto founder is not representative of the retail user, not even one bit. The crypto founder wants the responsibility, wants to kick the the final penalty in the World Cup final or be with the ball in your hands and 2 mins to win the SuperBowl. That is not the mindset of the retail user.
"We ship the products we'd want to buy" as Steve Jobs said in a keynote...only he used it as catchphrase to get the applauses and sell Apple to the world and to Wall Street.
People in crytpo , they do it for real. You never do it for real. You end up with your butt on the ground and nothing to show for financially.
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Scarcity is also not something that you want from a currency, fundamentally. A currency needs to be abundant when needed, and scarce when oversupplied. That's the point of controlling the money supply based on economic growth rates, and the entire reason we have a Fed. I believe strongly that cryptocurrencies have a strong future, but what is really needed is a crypto that automatically manages its money supply. In t…
> automatically manages its money supply. that's an interesting question and premis - automatic monetary policy. I wonder if good monetary policy could be encoded as a set of rules that can be followed by a machine.
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#196If there is a promise of future cash flows from transaction fees that is dependent on new holders, doesn’t that make it a pyramid, ponzi or MLM scheme?
If you somehow banned any new users from using Ethereum, existing users would continue to use Ethereum for the applications built on top of it.
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Scarcity is also not something that you want from a currency, fundamentally. A currency needs to be abundant when needed, and scarce when oversupplied. That's the point of controlling the money supply based on economic growth rates, and the entire reason we have a Fed. I believe strongly that cryptocurrencies have a strong future, but what is really needed is a crypto that automatically manages its money supply. In t…
> multi-year bond instrument that would pay coin dividends well into the future That's a great idea. I'm not aware of any blockchain that does this, although some projects with seed funding do have long lockup periods
- And https://curve.fi/ allows for 4 years lockup of their token to earn more fees.
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Ethereum is quite exciting in that regard, but my feeling is that most eth enthusiasts don't actually care about that. They only care about the value and thus it has become another crypto pyramid scheme for now. The only crypto community who has shown any genuine effort in creating a "currency" is Dogecoin. And that is mainly because they are more aware that their coin has no value without real adoption. But sadly, e…
How do you define a pyramid scheme? Thing go up in value?
A cashflow producing venture is not a Ponzi since that cashflow is supposed to ensure the returns of all investors.
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If I am not mistaken, Wikipedia says that more than half of current supply of ETH was distributed among initial investors. That’s also another part of supply formula to consider.
Worth pointing out “initial investors” is anyone who sent 1 btc to the crowdfund back in 2014. It wasnt some closed off thing for vcs, anyone could participate. People just bought their tokens before the network started.
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#200What mostly excites me about Ethereum ist the very vibrant ecosystem of developers and builders around it. You can think of NFTs and DeFi whatever you want, the sheer amount of new applications and innovative ideas on the ethereum blockchain has been mind-boggling. My personal favorite is Sorare, which combines NFT collectibles with fantasy soccer. And sure, right now everything suffers from high gas prices but it lo…
What scares me from Ethereum is the very vibrant ecosystem of developers and builders around it. Look back at Ethereum's history and the vast vast majority of historical projects are dead. People who invested time or money into them have lost out. What makes it different now?
Social networks, banking and cloud companies would love to hire for those skills.
Also central banks now want to do CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currencies), so skills acquired as dev/builders are and will stay in very high demand for the foreseeable future.