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Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by arvinsim »

websites2323 wrote: post #130
dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

That's your wishful thinking talking.

Most people are still on USB-A, especially those who are not tech savvy.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by happyjack »

arvinsim wrote: post #512
happyjack wrote: post #467

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The New Balance refer to the fact that I'm old and crusty. I work in engineering but am not a software developer (majority of folks here are). Running Red Hat makes you old, too,

So RHEL = old, Pop!_OS = young?

I'm not sure what Pop!_OS makes you in all honesty. I do know Arch makes you leet / insufferable, and RHEL does in fact make you old, boring, and corporate.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by happyjack »

fingerlocks wrote: post #499
happyjack wrote: post #467

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The New Balance refer to the fact that I'm old and crusty. I work in engineering but am not a software developer (majority of folks here are). Running Red Hat makes you old, too,

The classic New Balance shoes have looked the same since the 1970s. That’s just a weird flex.

I think the Nike Monarch's are crustier personally.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

yarcob wrote: post #509
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #434

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No, I don't. My current setup requires several power bricks ("weird boxes") for the displays and speakers anyway. The good thing about those is that you can just hide them away, unlike your monitor. And what exactly is the problem with extension cords?

The nice thing about the All-In-One Macs was always how portable they were. The Mac Plus, the Colour Classic, the all-in-one Quadras, and every previous version of the iMac -- just a single box, a standard power cable, a keyboard and a mouse. It was always a lot easier to move them around than the PC towers everyone else had. Apple even ran an ad once that showed how few cables iMacs had in contrast to a typical PC.…

There are desks that solve the cable management issue by mounting a tray just underneath the tabletop. If it's such a problem for you, a desk like this is probably worth it.

The portability argument I understand though. I regularly move my desktop between two places and having duplicate cables and peripherals for each one has been very convenient. So seeing that, you're actually right, I would need to either buy a probably fairly expensive proprietary cable or always carry the brick; and an integrated PSU would've been more convenient.

But in the end whether this tradeoff is worth it comes down to your particular situation, and apparently Apple have decided that in general it is worth it. Personally I also don't think too many people move their desktops around that much.

The point about the power brick not showing up on the page I'd chalk up to OCD design, not malice, to be honest. It is at least hinted at because the two pictured cables are different.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by NaN1352 »

aseipp wrote: post #364
NaN1352 wrote: post #291

Do you think we will be able to install Win10 at some point? (a la Bootcamp, mainly to play some Steam games). Did Apple comment on this?

Probably not. Windows-on-Bootcamp used drivers written by Apple for their peripherals, but with M1 devices they aren't writing or offering Windows drivers anymore. So Microsoft or someone would have to write them, which seems unlikely. You can run ARM64 Windows 10 in Parallels on M1 Macs though, and that does have DirectX 11 support and x86_64 translation, but it's still pretty slow I think. Honestly, if you want to…

Thanks. I didn’t think this through. Indeed all binaries not just Windows but also games running in Windows simply are not compiled to execute on this new chip.

It’s not just drivers then afaik? It’s the entire win10, not to mention all third party drivers i guess like Razer and whatnot.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by brailsafe »

fastball wrote: post #419
brailsafe wrote: post #381

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> Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else). I agree with the latter, but tell that to their previous default of 4gb ram and 120gb ssd (for so long) and 16gb of storage on iPads.

Not really sure how you can agree that the resale value is excellent and in the same breath complain about features of the device being somehow egregious. Every single device ever made has to make tradeoffs. No device can be everything to everyone. Apple has (correctly) identified that RAM is really not the end-all-be-all that people obsessed with specs seem to think it is. If you spend more time working on other asp…

Because I think we're using two different definitions of obselete. Just because people will buy a thing years down the road, doesn't mean it wasn't already obselete then or when it was brand new or that those second purchasers can't make some use of it, however strained. I disagree about ram, at least at the minimum threshold, evidenced by numerous naive customers I've witnessed being incredulous as to why a few chrome tabs and some temp files are bringing their $1k+ computer to a halt.

Would you have bought a MacBook air or pro in 2017 with 4gb of non-replaceable ram for $1000? No, because it's obselete and you know that. What if they told you it was a great computer, and you didn't know anything about computers? Probably.

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Post by culopatin »

insert_coin wrote: post #427
PascLeRasc wrote: post #183

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Apple's site says the power adapter is 143W, that's gonna be pretty toasty. The 4.5k display is probably the majority of that though.

Again, current iMacs don't seem bother by that.

Maybe they can simplify the board if they are not dealing with lots of a electrical noise on top of everything.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by ulfw »

formerly_proven wrote: post #33
giarc wrote: post #3

Is it just me, or should the front facing camera be better then 1080p by now?

You don't want more pixels, you want better pixels, optics and positioning.

It's a Bayer sensor. So yea you do want more pixels.

4K downsampled to 1080p looks a lot better than a 1080p "native" sensor.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by silicon2401 »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #133
JohnWhigham wrote: post #113

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Which makes you wonder: why the hell did they remove it from the MBP...only to re-introduce it to another product 3 years later? Do different product teams just not talk to each other at Apple?

Jony Ive is no longer working at Apple and he was the God-King of industrial design. I suspect the MagSafe charger disappeared because of his efforts to make USB-C the one cable to rule them all. But after all the trouble with dongles and the butterfly keyboards I suspect more sensible heads have taken over and we can have these nice things again.

USB-C everything is a great idea, USB-C ports on macbooks wasn't an issue. It's that they were stubborn and kept lightning on the iphone and provided a lightning to usb-a cable, which was ridiculous

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by driverdan »

theshrike79 wrote: post #392
driverdan wrote: post #375

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> Sometimes their bluetooth earphones won't connect. Macbooks are notorious for having BT issues. I've personally owned two MBPs that have had BT issues and know many friends who have also.

I've personally owned 0 Apple devices with no BT issues, I also have zero friends who have had BT issues. The multiple of anecdote is not data.

I agree with your point.

In the process of searching to fix my issues I found many other people complaining about related problems. I don't have actual data on the issue, Apple would never release such a thing, but if it was very rare there wouldn't be so many others complaining.

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