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Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by tekknik »

fiznool wrote: post #801
calsy wrote: post #513

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In Australia roughly 20 kids per week present to emergency having swallowed or inserted a button battery and in several cases many have tragically died. It is an agonising death over a period of days/weeks for the child and horrible for the parents to witness. Many times both the parents and medical professionals don't realise what is actually happening to the child until it is too late. There is growing support for…

Just wanted to say thank you for posting this. I have three small children and had no idea of the dangers these batteries pose. We seem to be changing button batteries every couple of weeks or so, they are in a number of sound books and toys we have around the house. I will be sure to take extra care with them after reading that article. It’s every parent’s worst nightmare.

I’m sorry, you have a child and didn’t know button batteries (or batteries in general) were dangerous? Is there not a clear choking hazard and the knowledge it’s filled with toxic/hazardous chemicals? This should be common sense.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

tekknik wrote: post #807
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #795

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On the cusp of the transition, I attended a music festival with a couple of friends. They both had modern smartphones, I had something closer to an old-school feature phone. At some point on what was probably the first day, we all went to the phone charging tent. They stayed there for an hour or two with their phones plugged in. I walked in and walked back out again immediately, with a fresh battery for my phone hand…

Meanwhile modern smart phones charge to 80% in 15-30 mins. If they were in there for hours they wanted it at 100%

Well, this was a good few years ago now, but I sure they DID want 100% charge anyway!

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by tekknik »

dahfizz wrote: post #590
s3r3nity wrote: post #555

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> ...people praise Apple for doing things other people have already done. As Drake once said: "it ain't about who did it first/ It's about who did it right."

And you know apple did it right? On a device nobody has their hands on? There's nothing wrong with being a fanboy, but don't pretend like you're not fanboying.

Apple generally does it right. And especially since Tile harasses you to buy a subscription in which they use your phone to report others devices locations. So you think Tile did it right? I’m counting the days myself.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by wrboyce »

themaninthedark wrote: post #270
asdff wrote: post #238

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How long is that, though? I wish Apple spoke in absolutes when discussing technical details. Some people shut their phone off to golf or do some other outdoor activity, like hiking. Some rounds take close to 6 hours on public courses depending on pace of play. Imagine your friend is trying to putt then your air tagged golf bag starts going off on the 18th green.

Or lend a backpack to a friend to go on a week long camping trip?

Take the tag off the bag? Surely you can work that out for yourself whilst dreaming up these ridiculous edge cases to prove some point?

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by tekknik »

redxdev wrote: post #658
obenn wrote: post #439

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Trackers have existed for a while, but the privacy preserving ad-hoc device network approach is definitely an innovation.

Is it though? Tile seems to do the exact same thing according to https://www.thetileapp.com/en-us/how-it-works (see "Notify When Found") I don't have one so I can't conclusively say either way, but it seems like the only "innovation" Apple can probably claim over Tile is that every iPhone should support the network out of the box (I assume) rather than having to rely only on people who already have the app.

Tile charges for that feature, and harasses you in app until you pay the sub. Tiles only works with phones, any apple device supporting the “find my” protocol can report the position of a tag.

Integration into the Apple ecosystem is another huge one that Tile refused.

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Post by tonoto »

At least you have to give Apple credit for using a simple standard CR2032 battery this time and not "inventing" some non-standard format such as 19 mm. Or even creating tad larger cell with an integrated id-chip that validates that the battery is manufactured by Apple.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by leokennis »

tekknik wrote: post #811
fiznool wrote: post #801

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Just wanted to say thank you for posting this. I have three small children and had no idea of the dangers these batteries pose. We seem to be changing button batteries every couple of weeks or so, they are in a number of sound books and toys we have around the house. I will be sure to take extra care with them after reading that article. It’s every parent’s worst nightmare.

I’m sorry, you have a child and didn’t know button batteries (or batteries in general) were dangerous? Is there not a clear choking hazard and the knowledge it’s filled with toxic/hazardous chemicals? This should be common sense.

Nice way to shame someone brave enough to admit they were lacking in knowledge and announcing action to improve their live.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by p49k »

cdolan wrote: post #804
labcomputer wrote: post #449

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The app: * Constant nudging to buy more with all the usual high-pressure sales patterns (creating urgency, doubt, etc) * Implies tiles with non-replaceable batteries will stop working after a fixed time (they won't). Other things: * The tile network is not as complete as I'd want it to be. I once lost my keys at work, and someone turned them in to security. It took a week before I was able to figure out what happened…

* Implies tiles with non-replaceable batteries will stop working after a fixed time (they won't). —> wouldnt the battery eventually die? This seems obvious that after some amount of time a non replaceable battery will stop functioning

That's not the issue. If you buy a Tile with a non-replaceable battery, the actual battery life will vary greatly depending on various factors: how long it was sitting on the shelf before you bought it, the temperature of the environment it's located, how often you make it ring, etc.

11 months after activation, the Tile app constantly blasts you with warnings that you need to "Re-tile" and buy a replacement: via email, app notifications, repeated non-dismissable (only "snoozable") in-app alerts, and a lot of doom and gloom UI that presents a false sense of urgency.

The truth is, the battery can last 2 or even 3 years sometimes, and you don't need to be notified by the app when it's dead - you'll know it's dead when it shows up as "not reporting status" despite you knowing where the tile is. So you should be able to tell the Tile app "Yeah, I know it is near end of life, stop bothering me about it" one time, rather than the app acting insane and showing constant notifications/red warning labels/etc.

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