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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by anovikov »

maratc wrote: post #10
anovikov wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Successful Belarusian high-tech companies are not in Belarus (mostly in Cyprus, some in Lithuania or Poland - founders and their families and some key people simply emigrated from Belarus once they become successful). And Belarusian legal entities just outsource for them. This is why they are usually not raided: owners don't come over to Belarus much or at all anymore, IP is owned offshore, and what is the benefit of…

See EPAM with 2,500 employees in Belarus. Do you know of any other non-government entity with that amount of workers?

EPAM is an American company. It's clients are in the US, it's legal entity is in the U.S., and it makes profits in the U.S. And founder is an American citizen.

Belarusian (as well as Ukrainian etc.) EPAM are just outsourcing for the head office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPAM_Systems

so just 2500 out of 41K people are in Belarus (while it is from where it all started).

it makes no sense for Lukashenka harassing EPAM. So you do it and they just move these 6% of heads to other country offices.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

anovikov wrote: post #6
liaukovv wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want to have a say in their country's future.

The choice is simple: Lukashenka or Putin. I'd pick Lukashenka, at least some form of quasi-independent Belarus is better than none at all. It is so patently obvious that no non-manipulated Belarus will be allowed to exist... Just because all country is Russian speaking - even to a bigger degree than Crimea and is wholly owned by the Russian propaganda reality tunnel.

Alexander, do you live in Cyprus now? I want to have meeting with you.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by Jkae80 »

iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

Yeah? Check out the involvement of NGO directly financed by the West. What ever happened in Ukraine's coup orchestrated by the West is not going to happen in Belarus. And that is a hard pill to swallow for you people.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by alehander42 »

Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

I really hope people realize that indeed both USA and Russia mostly follow their own interests and don't see this as a black/white thing: you see the russian sentiment and downvote it, but don't see how equally biased the US one is.

And sadly HN and Reddit are usually political echo chambers for geopolitics

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by rightbyte »

baybal2 wrote: post #17

Shake that boat, provoke Kremlin, arm the populace, make Kremlin bleed, and go broke. The longer the Russia will be dragged into this war, the deeper Putinisms' grave will be, and the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe. I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war.

> the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe.

> I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war.

Uhm, how about wishing for peace since Russia is allready big enought to threaten Europe?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by maratc »

anovikov wrote: post #21
maratc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See EPAM with 2,500 employees in Belarus. Do you know of any other non-government entity with that amount of workers?

EPAM is an American company. It's clients are in the US, it's legal entity is in the U.S., and it makes profits in the U.S. And founder is an American citizen. Belarusian (as well as Ukrainian etc.) EPAM are just outsourcing for the head office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPAM_Systems so just 2500 out of 41K people are in Belarus (while it is from where it all started). it makes no sense for Lukashenka harassing E…

This is irrelevant to my point, which is:

If you have a 2,500-strong manufacturing plant, the government can come and take over your plant. If you have a 2,500-strong bank, the government can come and take over your bank. If you have a 2,500-strong property-holding company, the government can come and take over your company and your properties.

But if you have a 2,500-strong software development center, the government cannot come and take over your software development center. And this is why software development centers strive in Belarus.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by yurielt »

Jkae80 wrote: post #23
iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

Yeah? Check out the involvement of NGO directly financed by the West. What ever happened in Ukraine's coup orchestrated by the West is not going to happen in Belarus. And that is a hard pill to swallow for you people.

lol who is you people what I ma baffled at your statement I know the West has insiduous ties with what is happening in there but how is it bad to register crimes yeah the west can be degenerate and infuence things but Lukashenko seems to be corrupt so how is people being able to talk in an app something you criticize like this? Get a grip

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

rightbyte wrote: post #25
baybal2 wrote: post #17

Shake that boat, provoke Kremlin, arm the populace, make Kremlin bleed, and go broke. The longer the Russia will be dragged into this war, the deeper Putinisms' grave will be, and the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe. I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war.

> the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe. > I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war. Uhm, how about wishing for peace since Russia is allready big enought to threaten Europe?

> Uhm, how about wishing for peace since Russia is allready big enought to threaten Europe?

Of course it is, I can do the math. And exactly because of that Europe should strive to bleed off Russia's reserves, and firepower while it still can.

If Europe lets Russia's massive armour advantage to continue, no amount of airpower, nukes, "smart bombs," or whatever else wunderwaffe will save them when 3-5 tank armies will pour through Fulda gap.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by scaladev »

baybal2 wrote: post #17

Shake that boat, provoke Kremlin, arm the populace, make Kremlin bleed, and go broke. The longer the Russia will be dragged into this war, the deeper Putinisms' grave will be, and the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe. I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war.

You will be among the first volunteers to go to the frontline, I presume?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by ramtatatam »

maratc wrote: post #26
anovikov wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EPAM is an American company. It's clients are in the US, it's legal entity is in the U.S., and it makes profits in the U.S. And founder is an American citizen. Belarusian (as well as Ukrainian etc.) EPAM are just outsourcing for the head office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPAM_Systems so just 2500 out of 41K people are in Belarus (while it is from where it all started). it makes no sense for Lukashenka harassing E…

This is irrelevant to my point, which is: If you have a 2,500-strong manufacturing plant, the government can come and take over your plant. If you have a 2,500-strong bank, the government can come and take over your bank. If you have a 2,500-strong property-holding company, the government can come and take over your company and your properties. But if you have a 2,500-strong software development center, the governmen…

I was very worried when I was reading about FSB entering NginX offices in Russia. I think your statement might be a bit too optimistic..
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