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SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by DeusExMachina »

bassdropvroom wrote: post #7
rPlayer6554 wrote: post #2

I understand people don't like ads, but at some point doesn't someone have to pay creators for content? This feels just like stealing: I don't know how you can justify it: sponsor spots don't track you and they don't slow down your computer. Yes they are a minor inconvenience but they make the content you watch possible.

For these sponsored contents it doesn't really matter though. The content creator has already been paid, so whether you watch the segment or not, they won't lose or make money.

That's a too simplistic view and not how sponsorships work. The sponsor expects a return on the investment. If a sponsorship does not generate revenue, that content creator will stop getting sponsorships because their audience is worthless.

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by DeusExMachina »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #19
vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

Personally I do pay for YouTube Premium, so videos I watch do make money (and do not have ads for me). As for in-video sponsor segments, I doubt the actual sponsors get any analytics about when they're skipped or not.

They surely get analytics on how well a sponsorship works since they use dedicated URLs. And if a sponsorship does not produce a return on the investment, the sponsor will stop giving money to the content creator.

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by franciscop »

Mindwipe wrote: post #20
donw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious if direct revenue shares are a sustainable model. E.g., I pay some money -- $10/month. I can choose to pay more. A fraction of that is divided evenly amongst all the videos I've watched. Creators get a check at the end of the month. This wouldn't rake in billions of advertiser money. But I think it would sustain a very decent business, and be better for society in general. This does need to be voluntary:…

That is literally how YouTube Premium works today, but people seem to feel entitled to watch without paying any money and blocking the ads.

Will the sponsored bits be skipped if you pay for Youtube Premium? Or would you get to both pay AND be shown the sponsored segments?

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by Mindwipe »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #19
vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

Personally I do pay for YouTube Premium, so videos I watch do make money (and do not have ads for me). As for in-video sponsor segments, I doubt the actual sponsors get any analytics about when they're skipped or not.

> As for in-video sponsor segments, I doubt the actual sponsors get any analytics about when they're skipped or not.

LOLLLLL

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by Mindwipe »

vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

Ultimately there's only one inevitable consequence of this - YouTube will move to using Widevine on all YouTube streams to stop it happening.

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by Nextgrid »

vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

> But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip

Sponsors and advertisers should realize that nobody wants to hear about the same product on every single video, have pages with more ads than content and have their privacy compromised - there's a middle ground where both sides can be happy, but the problem is that one side is continuously overstepping its bounds, causing the other to develop powerful countermeasures.

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by Nextgrid »

Mindwipe wrote: post #25
vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

Ultimately there's only one inevitable consequence of this - YouTube will move to using Widevine on all YouTube streams to stop it happening.

As far as I understand Widewine "protects" (quotes because piracy websites are proof of the contrary) the video content but wouldn't prevent the player being controlled to skip past ads.

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by exikyut »

What an excellent application of automating everything you can. Yay!

This is great. I'm already spamming the right arrow key as soon as I realize a video has segued into a "I sold my soul to..." bit. I appreciate creators who quietly make such segments a consistent length and clearly cue them, so I can accurately guess how long to skip :)

As for "but why???", well, I believe advertising is fundamentally broken because it has no feedback loop. It's "throw money at the wall and see what sticks."

Analytics and THE COOKIE MONSTER YEETS ALL YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION tries to handwave a feedback loop into existence (with measurability, the appearance of substance etc), but that doesn't really close the loop either.

IMO, the complexity of modern privacy invasion is solely a function of the ridiculously high flotation point advertising confers onto everything it touches. I argue that the apparent success of that complexity is partly due to the fact that we simply cannot reason about it end-to-end, and have to reduce our analysis down to simple numerical metrics such as "X is making 1 billion dollars a year" ("wow that sounds successful"); and partly due to the fact that throwing trillions of dollars at a problem will cause parts of that problem to move of the way regardless of how fundamentally unsolvable that problem is, which can give the appearance that the problem is tractable when it is not.

Advertising might be the single most attractive thing in the world (a meta-correlation I find endlessly amusing) right now, but I can't help but see it as infinitely wide and shallow. What scares me is that it's growing faster than people's attempts to properly probe its depths; this will eventually peter out and-- oops, someone just popped the balloon.

Perhaps I could acquire sufficient sponsorship to fund a move to Mars before that happens...?

In the meantime, because of the lack of a proper feedback loop, there's a massive disconnect between the fact that the ad industry is growing on one side, while uBlock Origin has "10,000,000+" users on the other.

Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

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Re: SponsorBlock – Skip over sponsorship segments on YouTube

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

vages wrote: post #9

I get the technical justification for doing this: You own your player, so you should be able to control it in whatever way you want. But as consumers, how do we expect the uploader to get paid for their work if we use both Adblock and Sponsor-skip (for the lack of a better word)? Pay to watch is, of course, an option, but that leads to discrimination based on income – unequally distributed between parts of the world…

Ads and sponsorships are two ways that creators can earn a living, but there's additional ones; YT subscriptions, Patreon and selling merchandise comes to mind.

Anyway the sponsors won't know (unless I'm mistaken) if a viewer skipped that segment, so the creator will get paid anyway.

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